IT'S Official TRX coming

[jaz13]

It’s a huge success to people who are willing to pay 70grand for a truck that they will rarely if ever take off road or abuse in any way. The only way it is a home run is to an reenergized economy with new America first policies. I find it funny that the head of ford got canned in a sex #metoo scandal. The gen 2 is just not a spectacular truck except for the street. When my old gen 1 dies I don’t know what I’ll do but unless ford steps up the v8 and ends this smaller displacement twin turbo crap then I probably will try and figure out how to rebuild a ford boss 6.2 liter unless of course they drop the 7 liter in a gen 2

Yeah, the gen 2 really struggles off-road because Ford ****** up and made it lighter, added suspension travel and ground clearance, and the real killer is the extra power. Real shame it doesn't live up to the Gen 1.

 

[fuhrius]

It’s a huge success to people who are willing to pay 70grand for a truck that they will rarely if ever take off road or abuse in any way. The only way it is a home run is to an reenergized economy with new America first policies. I find it funny that the head of ford got canned in a sex #metoo scandal. The gen 2 is just not a spectacular truck except for the street. When my old gen 1 dies I don’t know what I’ll do but unless ford steps up the v8 and ends this smaller displacement twin turbo crap then I probably will try and figure out how to rebuild a ford boss 6.2 liter unless of course they drop the 7 liter in a gen 2

the ramblings of a madman.

 

[jabroni619]

It’s a huge success to people who are willing to pay 70grand for a truck that they will rarely if ever take off road or abuse in any way. The only way it is a home run is to an reenergized economy with new America first policies. I find it funny that the head of ford got canned in a sex #metoo scandal. The gen 2 is just not a spectacular truck except for the street. When my old gen 1 dies I don’t know what I’ll do but unless ford steps up the v8 and ends this smaller displacement twin turbo crap then I probably will try and figure out how to rebuild a ford boss 6.2 liter unless of course they drop the 7 liter in a gen 2

Not sure what point you're trying to make, and I'm positive you've got no idea either.

 

[jamanrr]

Yeah, the gen 2 really struggles off-road because Ford ****** up and made it lighter, added suspension travel and ground clearance, and the real killer is the extra power. Real shame it doesn't live up to the Gen 1.

So but you all get it, small things don’t work as well..

Haha

 

[jaz13]

So but you all get it, small things don’t work as well..

Haha

Sounds like you really should be driving a lifted superduty to compensate for some of your smaller bits.

 

[jamanrr]

Sounds like you really should be driving a lifted superduty to compensate for some of your smaller bits.

Y’all are the ones in love with a high boosted little itty bitty 3.5 liters of v6 power. Not me I hVe 6.2 liters but yes I almost bought a lariat superduty but couldn’t do it after I had my shocks rebuilt and new tires installed.

Remember it’s not easy being itty bitty, might as well smile— life goes on for an itty bitty while — Alan Jackson

 

[EricM]

Agree. It was the success of the G1 that convinced Ford management to pour so much R&D money into the G2.

The biggest risk is if the Chevy Trailboss and Ram TRX bolt-on projects are successful, Ford could imitate them by cutting back on G3 engineering and turning the Raptor into a bolt-on off-roader too.

Here's to hoping those bolt-on trucks fail miserably so the fully engineered Raptor lives on.

You know that every part of a Raptor can "bolt-on" to a standard F150, right? There's some electro-trickery the Raptors have that may be different than a standard F150, but a when Ford builds a Raptor, it literally boils down to bolting on different parts than non-Raptors.

I don't care for FCA one bit- believe me, but I do not doubt for a second they could build a Ram TRX as capable, or even far more capable than a Raptor. Their engineers understand chassis dynamics and can tune shocks for a high speed off road environment just as well as Ford's can.

The real question is can FCA make something better than the Raptor for a similar price. Given the general crap quality of their stuff- it's going to have to be better and cheaper to pull a lot of sales long term. I don't see that happening. If they build something that actually is a "Raptor killer" I think it's going to be very expensive and sell in low numbers for a few years before it's killed off as part of the next gen Ram truck.

We'll see I guess.

 

[jaz13]

You know that every part of a Raptor can "bolt-on" to a standard F150, right? There's some electro-trickery the Raptors have that may be different than a standard F150, but a when Ford builds a Raptor, it literally boils down to bolting on different parts than non-Raptors.

I don't care for FCA one bit- believe me, but I do not doubt for a second they could build a Ram TRX as capable, or even far more capable than a Raptor. Their engineers understand chassis dynamics and can tune shocks for a high speed off road environment just as well as Ford's can.

The real question is can FCA make something better than the Raptor for a similar price. Given the general crap quality of their stuff- it's going to have to be better and cheaper to pull a lot of sales long term. I don't see that happening. If they build something that actually is a "Raptor killer" I think it's going to be very expensive and sell in low numbers for a few years before it's killed off as part of the next gen Ram truck.

We'll see I guess.

By "bolt-on" what I mean is an AutoZone special and what a high-school tuner kid can do in a weekend. Lift kit, swap shocks, put on larger wheels, slap on an after market blower, add some cheesy aftermarket lights, etc. As compared to all the engineering optimization that went into the Raptor to redesign many components like the suspension arms and upgrade the engine's internals to better handle the higher power and heat while sill maintaining 250k mile reliability. Even the frame has been upgraded for the Raptor. Doors and sunroof are shared with the F-150, but it is easier to think of major components are are unique to the raptor than what is carried over from the F-150. And Ford did all this upgrading while still dropping over 200lbs from the G1.

GM already admitted their Trailboss is mostly a cosmetic, lightly modified Silverado and downplayed its off-road competitiveness. I suspect the TRX will fall on that end of the spectrum, but in hellcat/trackhawk style, it will have eye-popping HP numbers that will get the bro-dozer crowd whipped into a frenzy.

Without a doubt FCA could turn the TRX into their "moon-shot" and spend hundreds of millions to dethrone the Raptor off-road. But will they? Of course not. Number one, they cannot afford to. And number two, that's not the FCA way. They have been the also-ran in the US auto industry for a long time and that won't change anytime soon.

 

[EricM]

So you are saying the engineers at FCA cannot do any better than a high school kid who bolts on aftermarket shit they bought at Autozone?

 

[jaz13]

So you are saying the engineers at FCA cannot do any better than a high school kid who bolts on aftermarket shit they bought at Autozone?

No, I'm saying FCA management won't give the engineering department the budget and resources to redesign the Ram into an off-road beast, fund the tooling required for all the new parts, and then inventory those parts. Instead the beancounters will go to AutoZone to source all the "upgrades" and call it good enough. And it will be more than good enough for the bro-dozer crowd if it has 37s and a V8 that cranks out 700hp. (hp is the easiest and cheapest thing to upgrade and why it's the go-to for the high school tuner crowd. that and cheesy headlights...and wings, cannot forget the wings.)