all im saying is i believe randy said also one time that this things are subject to change an delays can vanish an production can change(see the great raptor nav debacle of the summer of 2011 ) we will all know when they start rolling out until then to be honest i consider it all hearsay....an how many times did people have "credible" info from an "inside source"....... this is all playin mind games with everyone an......it sux cause people are getting testy about it .....like i said when these bad boys fly off the line is when we will all know for a fact until then every bit of info counts in my book but rember we all want the same thing one of these beast in our drive ways !!!!!