Gen 2 Blown Motor: Advice

[pierceography]

When it isn't your fault, it is not difficult. Even if your dealer will not give you the " we'd give you X for clean, but with a new motor, we can only give you x-y" in writing.

If you take the dealer's written offer, then get a "black book" trade-in price (the blue book is not the gold standard for dealers, the black book is).

Then I would print out 3-5 raptors that are for sale with comparable mileage and options from AutoTrader, or someplace else.

Industry standard target for profit on trade-in vehicles is approx $1800. So in all honesty, if black book trade-in +$1800 is the same price as the average listing price for comparable raptors in your state, you will have a difficult time being compensated.

If you have mechanical coverage on your car insurance, this entire process becomes WAY easier, BUT, being that this was no fault of your own, even without mechanical coverage, you still have a chance at negotiating with ford/the dealer to seek compensation.

I've done this successfully in Tennessee, Louisiana, and Pennsylvania over the past 20 years. (about once every 7 years I seem to have the unfortunate luck of being hit by another driver in an almost brand new vehicle. the last time it happened, I hadn't even made a payment on the truck yet and was rear-ended by a drunk.)

This is good information, and thank you for sharing. Though I do not believe this applies in Michigan, which is why I was curious if anyone else had success in a diminished claim payout.

Unfortunately (for me), Michigan has the highest insurance premiums and the (subjective statement incoming) worst insurance laws/policies in the country. Our no-fault status varies from other states in that there is no limit on PIP payouts. This leads to a catastrophic fund that is exponentially larger and entirely dependent on the insured to support.

In addition, MI law prevents insurance companies from negotiating services with health care providers. This means that they must err on the high end when anticipating health coverage of a catastrophic event. The catastrophic fund alone requires each insured vehicle contribute almost $200 annually to the fund. Michigan is the only state to that required this.

How does this apply to diminished value? Well, it doesn't directly. But the MI insurance process is exhaustive. Claims for anything outside of a simple accident are generally difficult, and often require legal intervention. Case in point: A minor accident my wife and I were in last year took months to resolve, as the at-fault insurer denied our mini-tort due to a typo on the police report by the responding officer, which he later corrected but the insurance company claimed officer notes are not considered report evidence. And, of course, for all this we were rewarded with an insurance premium that rose by an amount that eclipsed the repair total for the accident.

F yeah insurance!

 

[Tyler_GTS]

Update:

So I made one last attempt at the trade of my 17' with a family friend connection to a local Ford Dealer. They are a few minutes in the other direction so I hadn't really contacted them.

But boy are they a fresh change of pace from my other dealer. Small town guys and a family type atmosphere. They have me a number on my 17' I like, gave me below MSRP on a 19' order and I was in and out in less than 20min. Super nice guys and great to deal with.

Even offered to let me drive my truck until the 19' comes in or I can leave it on their lot and they will sell it that way (and probably get more money out of it)

So after all that, the 2019 Ford Performance Blue is on order and I've got a sold plan on what things will look like from here.

Also, the dealer who is repairing my 17 will be receiving the motor in the morning and begin repair then. I'm guessing I'm looking at next week sometime when I get my truck back.

 

[GTTXRAP]

Update:

So I made one last attempt at the trade of my 17' with a family friend connection to a local Ford Dealer. They are a few minutes in the other direction so I hadn't really contacted them.

But boy are they a fresh change of pace from my other dealer. Small town guys and a family type atmosphere. They have me a number on my 17' I like, gave me below MSRP on a 19' order and I was in and out in less than 20min. Super nice guys and great to deal with.

Even offered to let me drive my truck until the 19' comes in or I can leave it on their lot and they will sell it that way (and probably get more money out of it)

So after all that, the 2019 Ford Performance Blue is on order and I've got a sold plan on what things will look like from here.

Also, the dealer who is repairing my 17 will be receiving the motor in the morning and begin repair then. I'm guessing I'm looking at next week sometime when I get my truck back.

See it all worked out. Win/win.

 

[Tyler_GTS]

If anyone is looking for a Ford dealer in Knoxville, Ray Varner Ford in Clinton is the dealer and they have been fantastic.

 

[pierceography]

Update:

So I made one last attempt at the trade of my 17' with a family friend connection to a local Ford Dealer. They are a few minutes in the other direction so I hadn't really contacted them.

But boy are they a fresh change of pace from my other dealer. Small town guys and a family type atmosphere. They have me a number on my 17' I like, gave me below MSRP on a 19' order and I was in and out in less than 20min. Super nice guys and great to deal with.

Even offered to let me drive my truck until the 19' comes in or I can leave it on their lot and they will sell it that way (and probably get more money out of it)

So after all that, the 2019 Ford Performance Blue is on order and I've got a sold plan on what things will look like from here.

Also, the dealer who is repairing my 17 will be receiving the motor in the morning and begin repair then. I'm guessing I'm looking at next week sometime when I get my truck back.

Well hot damn, that's great news. And good decision on the PB, though I'm certainly a bit biased there. What are the specs of your order aside from '19, PB, and I assume interior color package?

Mind if I ask what they wound up offering on your '17?

 

[Tyler_GTS]

Thanks!

Specs are;

Pb
802a
Blue interior
No graphics
Twin panel
Tech
Bedliner
Extender
Standard wheels

He took $750 off msrp on the 19 and said if I drive the truck for 2 months the lowest he’ll give me for mine is 59,500. But he agreed to do more if I bring the truck to him next week and he’ll put it on his lot.

 

[pierceography]

Not too bad on both counts. Your '19 order is identical to mine except yours is +bed extender and mine is +BL wheels.

Think you're gonna put the truck on the lot immediately or wait until your '19 arrives? At this point, you're probably looking at January for your '19 delivery.

Sounds like an overall better deal, happy it worked out for you.

 

[Tyler_GTS]

Not too bad on both counts. Your '19 order is identical to mine except yours is +bed extender and mine is +BL wheels.

Think you're gonna put the truck on the lot immediately or wait until your '19 arrives? At this point, you're probably looking at January for your '19 delivery.

Sounds like an overall better deal, happy it worked out for you.

Thanks man. Yea, I really like the BL’s but I think I may do a set of Bronze wheels for this truck. So I didn’t want to pay extra for the BL.

My hope is that it could possibly get here before then, but I don’t have my hopes up... Maybe I get lucky.

At this point, my plan is to put it on the lot as soon as I get my truck back. So that; 1) I can get more money out of it. 2) I don’t have to worry about stuff popping up with the install. They know about the new block and will make sure to give it a good check with their service guys.

Now I get to constantly check build sites for two months, haha.

 

[Tyler_GTS]

Not too bad on both counts. Your '19 order is identical to mine except yours is +bed extender and mine is +BL wheels.

Think you're gonna put the truck on the lot immediately or wait until your '19 arrives? At this point, you're probably looking at January for your '19 delivery.

Sounds like an overall better deal, happy it worked out for you.

I know this is probably a newbie question-But do you know what number I need to start tracking my build?

I know the site that I can use whenever I have a Vin, but I’m not sure what to do before that, if anything.

Is there a sheet I need to ask for from my dealer?

 

[pierceography]

I know this is probably a newbie question-But do you know what number I need to start tracking my build?

I know the site that I can use whenever I have a Vin, but I’m not sure what to do before that, if anything.

Is there a sheet I need to ask for from my dealer?

A day or two after your dealer submits your order, they should receive a DORA confirmation. My dealer just sent me a copy of the paperwork. (This was amusing because it also included the dealer's price and MSRP)

That paperwork will have two items you need: Your dealer code and order number/code. The dealer code will be six alphanumeric characters and the order number/code will be four alphanums. If the dealer won't provide you the DORA paperwork (which they may not want to), just ask for the dealer code and order number/code.

Once you have those two pieces, you can contact Ford Performance and they will have more information on your order. I prefer to chat, since I'm in front of a computer most of the day. The contact link is:

https://performanceparts.ford.com/contact-us/

The best time to contact FP is Thursday, as that's when builds are scheduled.

For reference, the order tracker still doesn't show any information on my order, which was accepted for build 5+ weeks ago, scheduled for the week of 11/19, and I received a VIN three weeks ago. FP told me they don't believe the order tracker will work until the build starts, though others on this forum have indicated otherwise.

Chatting with FP is your best bet until your truck is actually built.