G2 vs '18 F150 4x4 3.5

[Aaron]

If it loses compared to a standard product with a lower output engine that weighs 700lb less and isn't running 35s? Why would you be surprised?

If it loses because it's 'squirmy' over bumps on a gravel road is it not possible the other truck just handles those types of smaller bumps better (you know, the one with a 5-link rear suspension?)?

Both of those can be fixed via aftermarket. Tunes/exhaust/CAI/etc. The squirrelyness over bumps can be fixed with some deavers and a little bit of weight in the bed.

But i get it, you paid a lot of money for your truck and you want people to make you feel good. That's fine. There's plenty of places you can find echo-chambers both on here and on facebook.

 

[derise]

I personally feel the test that TFL performed was not set up right. basically its three guys with little to no equipment on a crappy little drag strip. Its a complete joke at the end of the day.

 

[troverman]

If it loses compared to a standard product with a lower output engine that weighs 700lb less and isn't running 35s? Why would you be surprised?

If it loses because it's 'squirmy' over bumps on a gravel road is it not possible the other truck just handles those types of smaller bumps better (you know, the one with a 5-link rear suspension?)?

Both of those can be fixed via aftermarket. Tunes/exhaust/CAI/etc. The squirrelyness over bumps can be fixed with some deavers and a little bit of weight in the bed.

But i get it, you paid a lot of money for your truck and you want people to make you feel good. That's fine. There's plenty of places you can find echo-chambers both on here and on facebook.

To be fair, the Raptor's tires are larger (2.3" taller than a standard F-150 tire, and 1.6" wider) which is going to harm acceleration. But remember...the Raptor has a 4.10 axle ratio and the F-150 has a 3.55. So that 4.10 axle helps offset the taller tires. Raptor tires weigh 65 lbs and F-150 tires weigh 39 lbs...but the forged 17" rims weigh less than the cast 20" rims on the F-150.

Now, you're correct that the suspension issue over bumps and the engine performance can all be improved...my thinking is that you shouldn't have to improve a product which is marketed as "better."

Is the Raptor better off-road than an F-150? Of course. Is it faster? In real life, not TFL's unscientific test...yes.

 

[jabroni619]

I don't think you're seeing my point. The Raptor really has just three selling points that justify its price compared to a standard F-150 upon which it is based: engine, suspension, and looks.

If drag racing wasn't important, than Ford could have just as easily stuffed a standard EcoBoost under the hood. 375HP and 470lb-ft would be plenty to motivate the Raptor. They put the high-output engine under the hood to make this truck "fast." That's the only reason why they did it. So, if it loses in a comparison test to the standard product with a lower output engine, then everyone should care.

As for suspension, yeah...I read the article about the Raptor losing to the PowerWagon. MotorTrend complained the Raptor wasn't stable traveling at speed on rutted, washboard surfaces. The PowerWagon was...and it only has a standard suspension. The ZR2 was. M/T's argument was that the Raptor was designed to go fast on bumpy off-road surfaces...but it doesn't do it as well as some competitors. I actually believe them...the Raptor feels very squirmy and unstable in the rear at speed over bumps. So if your specialty off-road truck is slower than the standard issue, and less stable off-road at speed...then everyone should care.

Looks are indisputably good. The Raptor is the best looking truck on the road. I'd say the wide stance is what makes this truck.

When it comes to speed, I still believe the Raptor is the fastest pickup truck currently on the market. I don't care about modified old trucks are new trucks with aftermarket bolt on performance parts. What I care about is that the Raptor I bought is the fastest pickup of all factory trucks for the year, and the best off-road. That's why I bought it. Why else would you pay extra for a truck that generally tows and hauls less than a standard F-150?

It's been said countless times that the "squirmy" rear end at speed on uneven surfaces is mitigated in one of two ways... Lower the air pressure on the rear tires or add a couple hundred lbs of weight to the bed.

Coincidently, a couple hundred lbs equates to having a couple spare wheels/tires in the bed. Which is exactly what a lot of people run when they actually do "baja" racing. Also coincidentally, Baja running is exactly what the Raptor is marketed as... I'm saying coincidentally sarcastically, I don't think either of these are a coincidence.

 

[Mcnawsty]

It is funny to see a loss can’t be accepted. Why do you care if it’s faster or not??

 

[Aaron]

Damn...

Their test is as scientific as if you and your buddy went out and did runs at the strip or on a backroad. I'd say it's just fine. To please some of you they'd need to do this in an indoor temperature controlled, altitude variable drag strip with robots piloting both trucks so reaction time and driver error is taken out of the equation.

The F150 ran faster, it is what it is. Justify it all day long, and however you want. I'm sorry that upsets you guys.

As for suspension, different set ups do different things well. The stock leaf springs on Raptors are known to not be great on either generation. Deavers/Nationals/WSI springs are the known fix. It is what it is once again.

 

[1BAD454SS]

Because 700lbs and huge tires with massive rolling resistance make no difference, right? Dont be ignorant.

I think you got sold and expensive plastic engine cover emblem.

 

[Jake17]

Raptor's the best lookin' truck on the road. The wide stance is what makes this truck. Raptor's the fastest factory pickup.

undisputed

 

[troverman]

It's been said countless times that the "squirmy" rear end at speed on uneven surfaces is mitigated in one of two ways... Lower the air pressure on the rear tires or add a couple hundred lbs of weight to the bed.

Coincidently, a couple hundred lbs equates to having a couple spare wheels/tires in the bed. Which is exactly what a lot of people run when they actually do "baja" racing. Also coincidentally, Baja running is exactly what the Raptor is marketed as... I'm saying coincidentally sarcastically, I don't think either of these are a coincidence.

Not buying it. Ford knows quite well 99.9% of these trucks will never go "baja racing."

I lowered my pressures in the rear a tad, but can't afford to lower it much since I tow at the max or slightly beyond the Raptor's rated capacity.

I'm not complaining, I love the truck. But keep in mind, the ZR2 and PowerWagon were both able to accomplish going over bumps at speed with complete stability. While the PW doesn't really have a specialty suspension...the ZR2 does. Dare I suggest the Multimatic DSSV shocks on the ZR2 are superior to the Fox shocks on the Raptor?

 

[Aaron]

Not buying it. Ford knows quite well 99.9% of these trucks will never go "baja racing."

I lowered my pressures in the rear a tad, but can't afford to lower it much since I tow at the max or slightly beyond the Raptor's rated capacity.

I'm not complaining, I love the truck. But keep in mind, the ZR2 and PowerWagon were both able to accomplish going over bumps at speed with complete stability. While the PW doesn't really have a specialty suspension...the ZR2 does. Dare I suggest the Multimatic DSSV shocks on the ZR2 are superior to the Fox shocks on the Raptor?

Buy. Deaver. Springs. It solves the problem.