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I was looking into engine swap and adding v8 inside my raptor , and the first place that i found were this guys from TX ,however look at the pricing...

Does anyone has any suggestions or know the place where this can be done for much less?

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This is $15,000 in new parts? $20k if including transmission?

(Also..why do these guys replace the transmission?)

* Hennessey embroidered headrests cost $49,950.
 

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the end result of a supercharged gen2 raptor can be accomplished cheaper and with IMO better systems by starting with a '15+ f150 and building body and suspension from there.
 

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see the video below and you will see the issues trying to convert a F150 to a Raptor


the end result of a supercharged gen2 raptor can be accomplished cheaper and with IMO better systems by starting with a '15+ f150 and building body and suspension from there.
 
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I don’t understand the point though? Before getting into pissing match on the fact that Ford V8 engines are the least desirable of the big 3 (& I’m sure they’re well aware since they barely put n/a V8 in anything except the Stang & gasser HD trucks) - what is the end goal besides pissing money & any semblance of a warranty away on a nearly new vehicle??!!!!!

Chugging 93 octane seems like a Gen 2 HO 3.5 makes about 480hp/540 TQ on stock mapping - this increase is well known/documented.

a tune alone puts these trucks in the 500-550hp/600+TQ figure, guys are putting 450 to the wheels, so you’re gonna grenade every oZ of warranty rip the truck apart & drop in V8 + a blower & you gain what performance over a tuned 3.5? Maybe 100whp tops? If that’s the goal may as well look @ bigger turbos...or what else may be interchangeable for internals outta Ford GT?

If you want a V8 off-roader so bad that kinda $$$ better spent @ a custom builder like icon or lesser known, I mean shit you can get pretty nuts on a rolling bronco/K-blazer chassis & $60k.....
 

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It's not 1996 anymore, guy.

Stock internals...




250 whp with a Whipple. 350 whp or so with turbos. On pump gas.

And that's assuming 450 whp for the Ecoboost when most are really only making ~ 420-430 whp.

Yeah. 450whp w/ a tune, $600 - add downpipes, get some of those big shiny custom snails from gearhead, intake, IC, I dunno if they make **** kits for these things or not but you sure as SH*T won't be staying @ 450whp w/ those extra hard parrts guys are in the 550-600whp range...then there's the option of stroking it to a 4.2................

Listen I like V8s & all, but I always find these threads LOL funny, specifically because I WOULD NOT own this truck if it had a tuned up coyote 5.0, or an oil sucking voodoo 5.2, the last time I cross shopped expensive trucks & wanted a V8 I picked up a 6.2 GMC over a 6.2 Raptor.....why? Because (aside from the AFM nonsense) its a better/more powerful/capable engine & at the time the tranny/interior/weight were all in GM's favor too. Now, I'm not saying those GM trucks are perfect either, that's another story - just pointing out many people (including Ford marketing/engineering apparently too) feel that Ford's best efforts in engine building as of late have been put toward FI smaller displacement platforms. Now, why did I state "including Ford"? Should be extremely obvious by now, but lets play pretend & put the Foolaid (Ford Koolaid) down for a minute.

GM - Cadillac - Corvette
Toyota - Lexus - RCf - LCf
Honda - Acura - NSX
Ford - Lincoln - GT/Raptor

This is like word association OK? Cadillac is GM's highest brand - this is where they showcase theyre latest tech, along w/ their "halo" vehicle - the Corvette. The same can be said for Toyota w/ the Lexus brand & the "F" cars, Honda showcases its best engine/tech under the Acura badge & then has the NSX serve as its "halo" marketing vehicle for future tech, with Ford then, Lincoln is the obvious upper echelon brand & the GT is their self proclaimed supercar - the Raptor shares a version of the GT's engine - rotating assembly, pistons, liners, etc. are shared. Yes they have the 'Stang & yes it has a V8. But how many V8s do you see in the Liincoln lineup? Oh none? That's cool. I do see they have FI & Hybrid powertrians....hmm, a 600hp aviator? Do you think MAYBE that's what they're hinting @ for the future buddy? If they really were doubling down on how great their V8 engines are, then riddle me this - WHY THE F&*K DON'T THEY PUT THEM IN ANYTHING????????

GM makes great V8s, few flavors for the trucks, SUV's, sports car(s), actual CARS in general (Ford. makes. a. car. one. car. mustang.) so we see them continuing to put $$$$ R&D into them - C8 is brand new will have a few versions in it forget about Yukon Denalis, HD trucks, 1/2 tons, mid size SUV's, luxury cars, etc. - V8's all over the joint.

Toyota? What do they put in their top tier vehicles?

Is the horse dead yet? These FACTS may not be pleasant, but they're irrefutable.


Maybe instead of trying to reinvent the wheel & make more power w/ the engine it came w/, & its plenty capable of doing so, performance that already starts WELL above a standard 5.slow F150. Do those 5.0s come standard w/ a forged crank?

If you really want a V8 truck that makes a ton of power & can do raptor stuff offroad probably better off starting w/ 5.0 F150............or realistically a 6.2 GM Trailboss, or get a powerwagon & put a blower on it, eh? OR wait for the TRX

OR - lets see if the sarcasm/irony seeps through the srceen......you COULD wait for the Gen 3 Raptor to come out!!!! I'm sure it'll have a V8 w/ a blower on it & not a hybrid/V6 FI platform.

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TT spec trucks - V8
Nascar - V8
Formula - V8/V10 until newest engines drop to 1.6 V6 but then coupled with two electric motors.
Powerboats - V8

Just saying...The high performance arena is running big motors. if we are talking about consumer industry, most people use these vehicles are daily drivers and fuel consumption is a concern. Couple that with manufacturing costs and purchase price you get a performance v6.

A raptor with a SC gen3 coyote with larger rear end, stronger bushings in suspension to handle the extra power and proper safety components needed for increase crash and handling, mspr would be easily into the 6 figure.

so why is ford going the v6 route? Not because the v6 is a better, faster, stronger, more capable motor but for the consumer interest.

To the OP, save the money, build another truck from a base 5.0 xlt f150 replace suspension, interior, and add a sc you will be under ~60k and have two trucks at the end.....
 

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You literally have no idea what you're talking about. At 600 crank horsepower you've reached the upper limit of the stock 3.5's internals. Why do you think everyone just puts a tune on them and stops there?

The Gen 3 Coyote, which has a forged crank and rods, is good for WELL beyond that, as I showed you above. It's a night and day better engine for high performance.

By the way, the Ford GT myth has been debunked, it has a completely different rotating assembly. That car has a hand built race engine that likely costs six figures to produce...

https://www.autoweek.com/news/sports-cars/a1718506/watch-ford-performance-build-gt-and-aftermarket-engines-hand/


Quote: "The Ford GT V6 might share displacement with the rest of the EcoBoost 3.5-liter V6 engines, but that’s about where it stops."

Also, if you cross shopped a Raptor and ended up with a GMC you definitely did something wrong. :lol:

Side note: Ford's 6.2 makes a lot more power than GM's with a Whipple. Mine did ~ 575 whp on 37s. :shrug:

fords 6.2 DID make more power w/ a whipple than GMs previous version- not the newer DI “ecotec” platform, & if you bring centrifugal SCs into the picture I think the GM motors respond better w/ those....Altho seems like nobody uses those as factory options most seem roots based.

anyhow- you say what you say but go ahead & search the forum, personally I’m not doing it cuz a tune alone is plenty for me on a DD vehicle- particularly a truck- but see guys like RMB_ryan doing something serious builds on these trucks claims 750rwhp w/ turbos & bore/stroke job.... so who’s lying?

https://www.fordraptorforum.com/threads/who-in-here-has-the-biggest-power-gen-2.60491/page-6

and if you feel the need to scroll back a few pages on that thread you’d find I’m all about V8s & displacement like you, but FI is FI & twin turbos off the showroom floor underrated & mapped for 87 octane is a platform w/ a lot of potential
 
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