EBOV VTA done right

[zombiekiller]

Smurf - you really are too stupid to understand this.

1. Ford acknowledges the intercooler building water. How do you explain the government investigation into into it? How do you explain the myriad of TSBs they had for it? Ford admitted that the intercooler builds water. They worked to make it less efficient so it would not build the large amount of water. Block off plates, tuning, etc. They actually realized the block off plates were more hatm then good, so another TSB was issued to remove them. How do you explain all this? Seriously? You have never understood or acknowledged this. Do you not care? Don't see a problem here?

2. Drilling the intercooler definitely doesn't void a warranty. Ask your mechanic buddy if they ever voided one for it. Ask that mechanic if he ever saw the weep hole on an ecoboost. Ask if they voided the warranty. You will not find one case where this voided a warranty. Heck, on the other F150 forum, the owner took his truck in, and dealer had to remove the intercooler to work on something else. The tech talked to the owner and told him "good move".


Smurf, do you understand how the ecoboost system works? It's different than the wizbang turbo Honda's you had previously. Drilling this hole gets the water out before it creates a misfiire condition. It causes no issues... Ever seen the video of the pressure test proving this? I am guessing not since you have your head in the sand still.

just throwing this out there... if all condensation is bad, and a little bit of water is bad, i wonder how ford could possibly sell vehicles that are operated in humid environments?

I also wonder how water/**** injection could possibly work at all.

 

[MGD]

just throwing this out there... if all condensation is bad, and a little bit of water is bad, i wonder how ford could possibly sell vehicles that are operated in humid environments?

I also wonder how water/**** injection could possibly work at all.

Great points. Clarification - it is not just a little bit of water... It's quite a bit actually. The folks in the climate you speak of are the most vocal about the issue. Also, just normal long hauls across the interstate at steady speed and not getting into boost throughout that is another culprit. This system ideally should have a condensate pump on it like your home AC unit. We don't have that luxury, so the weep hole is the solution.

**** injection - yes, works GREAT on the ecoboost. Probably the best performance item to get. With that said, the **** system actually injects a metered mist. That is just fine and no issues. The condensate buildup in the intercooler is a different story. You stab the throttle and it will force that entire volume of water through. That is where you blow out spark and potentially hydrolock the engine. With the weep hole, water is forced to environment pre-spark.

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That pressure test vid wasn't valid because it was tested while in park. The vehicle doesn't build boost in park. They should have validated it on a moving vehicle.

Additionally, drilling a hole in a CAC in an offroad vehicle is silly. The potential to suck in water in a pressurized system is not a risk worth taking. It's the same concept as when the OP to this thread was talking about leaving the EBOV tube disconnected and facing the ground. There is potential to suck in water. It's nonsense.

And there have been zero instances of 2017+ Raptor owners drilling holes in their CACs because of misfire instances. Spark plugs, yes. Water in the CAC, no.

EDIT: Imagine doing a water crossing with a weephole in your CAC and hydrolocking your motor.

Quick point - this side of the intercooler is not under vacuum. It is actually pressure, so no water/junk gets in.

 

[zombiekiller]

Great points. Clarification - it is not just a little bit of water... It's quite a bit actually. The folks in the climate you speak of are the most vocal about the issue. Also, just normal long hauls across the interstate at steady speed and not getting into boost throughout that is another culprit. This system ideally should have a condensate pump on it like your home AC unit. We don't have that luxury, so the weep hole is the solution.

**** injection - yes, works GREAT on the ecoboost. Probably the best performance item to get. With that said, the **** system actually injects a metered mist. That is just fine and no issues. The condensate buildup in the intercooler is a different story. You stab the throttle and it will force that entire volume of water through. That is where you blow out spark and potentially hydrolock the engine. With the weep hole, water is forced to environment pre-spark.

you don't grasp physics particularly well.

I live in "one of those climates". I had a very early 2011 ecoboost f-150. I now have a gen 2 ecoboost.

I have never had this "problem" on an F-150.

I have owned many high performance, forced induction vehicles. supercharged, procharged and turbo.

I have NEVER seen a factory "weep hole" on ANY VEHICLE whether factory or aftermarket intercoolers.

you are seemingly stating that enough water to cause misfire or hydrolock an engine is sloshing around at the bottom of an intercooler, so that when WOT is applied it is magically sucked up, not any different from a drinking straw, not atomized, not a mist, but a stream of h2o, into the motor and that condition is what causes this problem.

and against all common convention, wisdom, knowledge of science, technology and engineering feat, the absolute best way is to drill a hole and create a drain?

I really hope that you're not just trolling and have some sort of physiological mental capacity impacting disease because otherwise, you are a whole new level of single digit IQ mouth breather.

 

[reaper1441]

the intercooler cant physically hold enough water to hydrolock a 3.5l v6.

 

[MGD]

you don't grasp physics particularly well.

I live in "one of those climates". I had a very early 2011 ecoboost f-150. I now have a gen 2 ecoboost.

I have never had this "problem" on an F-150.

I have owned many high performance, forced induction vehicles. supercharged, procharged and turbo.

I have NEVER seen a factory "weep hole" on ANY VEHICLE whether factory or aftermarket intercoolers.

you are seemingly stating that enough water to cause misfire or hydrolock an engine is sloshing around at the bottom of an intercooler, so that when WOT is applied it is magically sucked up, not any different from a drinking straw, not atomized, not a mist, but a stream of h2o, into the motor and that condition is what causes this problem.

and against all common convention, wisdom, knowledge of science, technology and engineering feat, the absolute best way is to drill a hole and create a drain?

I really hope that you're not just trolling and have some sort of physiological mental capacity impacting disease because otherwise, you are a whole new level of single digit IQ mouth breather.

If you are regularly flogging your truck, you may not have the issue as you are constantly passing through what water had built... Likely not enough to misfire, but enough to not be efficient. A normal daily driver getting rated gas mileage or better is the driver that will experience this.

Saab actually had a factory weep hole on their intercoolers.

A supercharged vehicle won't have this issue.

Correct statement - under boost, the pressure forces the water through combustion... Blows out spark.
See how much water can build!!!:
https://youtu.be/QXP1KBXSny8

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the intercooler cant physically hold enough water to hydrolock a 3.5l v6.

It most definitely can! Have you done the calculation to see what amount of water is required to hydrolock one piston? It's not much! I was surprised by that.

 

[ThugHunter]

Yes - this is MOST DEFINITELY warranty safe. There has never been a reported warranty denial for it. If you develop engine misfires, this is your solution.

Your tuned trucks however... Not so much warranty there. They will deny the warranty very quickly with that.

I've had many vehicles tuned over the past 2 decades and never had one dealership bring it up when my vehicle is in for service. Learn more about mods, which is ultimately what you're arguing for everyone to do, in reference to dealerships turning a warranty down because of it. You have yet to show your credentials though, so with that in mind, you'll be the first person ever in my internet world that I have place on ignore.....now if someone could instruct me how to do this. (Edit: well that was easy enough)

 

[MGD]

I've had many vehicles tuned over the past 2 decades and never had one dealership bring it up when my vehicle is in for service. Learn more about mods, which is ultimately what you're arguing for everyone to do, in reference to dealerships turning a warranty down because of it. You have yet to show your credentials though, so with that in mind, you'll be the first person ever in my internet world that I have place on ignore.....now if someone could instruct me how to do this. (Edit: well that was easy enough)

That is a roll of the dice on the tune. I have seen many places where Ford has denied warranty on the ecoboost for tunes. Never denied for the weep hole though.
What credentials are you asking for?

 

[smurfslayer]

Smurf - you really are too stupid to understand this.

1. Ford acknowledges the intercooler building water. How do you explain the government investigation into into it? How do you explain the myriad of TSBs they had for it? Ford admitted that the intercooler builds water. They worked to make it less efficient so it would not build the large amount of water. Block off plates, tuning, etc. They actually realized the block off plates were more hatm then good, so another TSB was issued to remove them. How do you explain all this? Seriously? You have never understood or acknowledged this. Do you not care? Don't see a problem here?

2. Drilling the intercooler definitely doesn't void a warranty. Ask your mechanic buddy if they ever voided one for it. Ask that mechanic if he ever saw the weep hole on an ecoboost. Ask if they voided the warranty. You will not find one case where this voided a warranty. Heck, on the other F150 forum, the owner took his truck in, and dealer had to remove the intercooler to work on something else. The tech talked to the owner and told him "good move".


Smurf, do you understand how the ecoboost system works? It's different than the wizbang turbo Honda's you had previously. Drilling this hole gets the water out before it creates a misfiire condition. It causes no issues... Ever seen the video of the pressure test proving this? I am guessing not since you have your head in the sand still.



https://youtu.be/kKgI5pnD_3E

https://youtu.be/hEArZzx064w

Wait... first you said “you’re a smart guy”, now you’re calling me stupid?

Which is your belief? They can’t both be your belief, or true. So, in which post were you lying about that you think of my level of intelligence. Think before you answer.

Now you’re circling back to the warranty denial issue. this has been dealt with already - asked, and answered. I’ve confirmed with the mechanic at my local dealer - drill the CAC, lose your warranty on affected powertrain parts. What is hard for you to understand about this?

So, why do you continue to troll the Gen 2 subforums with what seems to be a pretty blatant attempt to convince someone to lose the warranty on their new trucks? BTW - you have yet to address this point.



Notice how nobody is agreeing with your suggestion?
You have yet to address this point or for that matter, any other point I’ve raised. You keep trying to circle back on the misfire, which is not an issue on the 2017-2018 ecoboost trucks. It’s not. No matter how many times you repeat it, this will still not be the case.

@k-rub raises a legit point about sucking in water after holing the CAC
#stupidtodrillweepholes
#stupidsasquatch77tricks

But legit points aren’t your concern. You need someone to acknowledge you, pat you on the head and give you that warm fuzzy feeling, which is why you continue to troll here with this weep hole nonsense for nigh on 2 years now.

to recap
1: Gen 2 owners do not care about your opinion on drilling the charge air cooler on ecoboost engines. Read it again. Now, read it again. Repeat as needed until you actually understand.

2) The 2017-2018 trucks are not suffering from this affliction, whether you want to admit it or not. No amount of trolling is going to work.

3) Your preferred narrative will not prevail. Read this again.

4) Gen 2 owners do not care about your opinion on drilling the charge air cooler on ecoboost engines.

5) You have gone back on your statements no less than half a dozen times in this thread. I’ve done my best to illustrate them, because I know you’re suffering from multiple personality disorder and affects not only how you type, but what you type. But I want to be sure that I am on the correct side of this
- you saying I am a smart guy actually hurts my FRF cred. So, I need you to be clear that I am dumb as a box of rocks, narrow and closed minded, unwilling to accept your ... opinions and so on. so please clarify what your opinion of my level of intelligence is.

6) if your argument / opinion had merit, you would see people jumping up and down on your side and blasting away at me. Your argument lacks merit - see points 1-5. If your argument, point - what is your point by the way? Nevermind - if it had any merit whatsoever, the opinion would stand by itself.

here are some examples
Raptor 3.5TT is more powerful than the previous 6.2L V8. This fact stands on its own.

Raptor 3.5TT is more powerful than standard F150 3.5TT. This fact stands on its own merit as well.

6.2L Raptor makes a great audio soundtrack. Not as good as the GT350, but pretty good. This fact stands on its own merit ( sure some will take offense at a Mustang sounding better but, if you heard them at Raptor Assault, you would agree ).

The F150 Raptor is the preeminent COTS, production off road vehicle. Ford sells every one of them and then some. The demand for the Raptor is as never before, as with every previous year of Raptor. Again, this stands on its own


In stark contrast to the aforementioned facts that stand on their own merit, your assertion that owners of Gen 2 Raptors should drill a hole in the charge air cooler to “fix” a “problem” that doesn’t exist in the truck, is argumentum ad absurdum.

7) We just do not care about your opinion on drilling the charge air cooler on ecoboost engines.

8) since you have gone back on numerous assertions, just in this thread, it is hard to keep track of where you stand now. I think we are at - weep hole is not EPA approved, Ford does not acknowledge or sanction, you cannot prove it is only EPA that prevents Ford from sanctioning, you refuse to admit the 2017-2018 trucks don’t have the misfire, but no matter what, you will change your argument in the next post.

9) You are arguing solely for the purpose of arguing and even if I and all the other posters in here acquiesced to your absurd recommendations, you would find something to argue about or nit pick about the Raptor, which you hate.

10) I think we can now safely dispense with the charade. You are sasquatch77, mcnawsty, mod. and sasquatch78. It’s ok to admit it now, I am not bothered by this, neither are the admins or moderators. Last time they messaged me they made it clear that you would not be banned for duplicate registrations. At least do us the courtesy of acknowledging this. I have dealt with you fairly, and addressed your points. I have treated you with respect, and still you argue this pointless jihad. admit you are sasquatch77 and all the rest of your aliases here.

11) Did I forget to mention that Gen 2 owners do not care about your opinion on drilling the charge air cooler on ecoboost engines? I think I did.

12) I am puzzled why you want me to interrogate my mechanic at the Ford dealer who does my Raptor service on drilled CAC issues. Why would I do this, I asked, he answered. End of story on this ( probably not the best choice of phrases, but it is ) What about this do you find hard to understand.

13) H#ll, you won’t read past 1.

 

[MGD]

Well, you proved your stupidity and lack of cognitive thinking.
FYI - This side of the intercooler that gets drilled is under pressure, NOT vacuum genius.

 

[k-rub]

Nobody said that side of the system was under vacuum.