Cam Phaser/Engine Failure Reports

[Onemoosehorn]

How do you explain all of us that have the issue? Ford knows it's a problem since they tried changing parts, changing tunes, and no luck. The guy here working it has a fix. Should not be a problem after that BUT, still a pricey fix for something that should not have been that way from the start.

You don’t stop, do you??? So annoying.....

 

[SL75]

You don’t stop, do you??? So annoying.....

Yours has the cam phaser issue too?

 

[NASSTY]

Yours has the cam phaser issue too?

You don't have this issue Sassy, you drive a Chevy.

 

[GCATX]

You don't have this issue Sassy, you drive a Chevy.

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Why did Sasquatch cross the road? Cause his..nevermind.

 

[SL75]

Happy to contribute when I feel I can. This platform is something we put a LOT of effort into, and one we will keep progressing and pushing hard. These motors are really efficient and make good power. I’ll say this, if these were offered in a mustang you would be seeing GTR type numbers and parts available as the engines can be closely linked to each other in many respects

To answer your question, yes we are planning on a fix, however there is a lot that has to happen and we are firm believers in the testing part of development. So we will need to get some trouble free testing done on the engine dyno once we have a first prototype. We are actively test fitting better tensioners now however, and we are close. The new style tensioners are an issue, they aren’t good. As an example ford changed the gen1 tensioners to the new style like the Gen2 but bolt patterns differ. The gen1 engines we build we use a Mazda tensioner with hardened ratcheting teeth, and the body of the tensioners are cast iron, not light and soft aluminum with plunger style spring loaded tensioning.

Interestingly ford has both Gen2 tensioners fed by passages coming from the main oil galley, however the tensioners on the Gen2 which are currently used have oil flow restrictive plates on their back side. This is good because the ratcheting style tensioner is like to use will be happy with the oil to its backside without a restrictive plate. Ideally everything we offer will have oring sealing to the block, whereas ford has no oring sealing to anything, not even the oil pump housing to the block. It is machined surface against machined surface.

If you add enough non sealed or non oring sealed parts that have no true no leak down due to lack of sealing, you get enough leakdown from top of the engine to the bottom to starve components (like phasers) so when they are started the morning after the truck sat no longer have any oil in them, it all drained back, or leaked out other lower parts like the tensioners. So when truck turns over and you hear the clack clack sound in the morning after a cold soak, that is the cam phaser with no oil in it so when turned the inside components are just hitting the housing on the inside. There is not oil pressure where they are suppose to have it. That’s why trucks that sit clack clack.

Can you provide any update on the findings you had, as well as the status of your test?
Assuming that this test works out positively, is this something that Ford would install, or are we on the hook for that once ours has fully failed?

 

[Onemoosehorn]

Yours has the cam phaser issue too?

Should I drill a weep hole too?

You are relentless this time.

 

[RMB_Ryan]

Can you provide any update on the findings you had, as well as the status of your test?
Assuming that this test works out positively, is this something that Ford would install, or are we on the hook for that once ours has fully failed?

i have no idea, i do not work for ford. but i did get updated phasers, new lifters and rockers. will know soon enough.

 

[SL75]

i have no idea, i do not work for ford. but i did get updated phasers, new lifters and rockers. will know soon enough.

Are you working on a new design and addressing the Ford design problem? I thought you said you discovered the root problem and were making new parts to correct it?

 

[Booth9999]

i have no idea, i do not work for ford. but i did get updated phasers, new lifters and rockers. will know soon enough.

Thank you for the effort we are all watching to see your progress.

 

[Avmanager]

I bought my 2017 Raptor with 20K miles on it 3 months ago. In that 3 months, I have had the APIM replaced, the Mirror because the Auto Headlights did not work correctly, and I had the Cam Phasers, Tensioners, Timing Chain etc. Changed out this week. 3 Things I can be Thankful for.

1. I have an awesome Ford Dealer that does great service work and has been very quick to deal with every issue. APIM was backordered for 2 weeks, but they diagnosed very quickly, and replaced Quickly. Cam Phaser was diagnosed quickly, then fixed in a total of 3 days.
2. I bought the 100K Ford Premium ESP......
3. The Raptor is not my Primary Vehicle

I guess I had too much good luck with Previous F150's before this one. I have owned a 1998 F150 sold with 40K and no fixes needed. A 2002 SuperCab 5.4L that I put 190K on it before I sold it and only did maintenance on it. Not a Single Breakdown or repair done. A 2010 SuperCrew 5.4L that I put 90K on it with only doing Maintenance and not a Single repair. A 2015 F150 Platinum SuperCrew 3.5L Ecoboost traded with 40K and only maintenance done to it.

I have a feeling that I will be getting rid of the Raptor I own before the Extended warranty is up. This is One Bad A__ truck, but I would not roll the dice on owning this truck without a Warranty. This truck has probably had $8K of warranty work done to it in 90 days....