Cam Phaser/Engine Failure Reports

[Donmatteo]

It looks like cam phasers and other cost savings measures are starting to take take a toll on earnings.

“The drop is because of the continuation of higher warranty costs during the second half of 2019, lower vehicle sales volumes, reduced results from Ford Credit, and higher investment in the development of the next generation of self-driving and electric vehicles.”

https://apple.news/AcgQ19JViToiZAyoW4goDhA

There is literally (correct usage of the word) no reference to cost saving measures in your quote.

I see warranty repairs - may due to cost savings but could be from record sales in the previous years and the number of cars made. Ferrari sold 10K cars. If 1k needed warranty work, that's 10% of the cars sold. Using that scale. Ford sold 548k cars in just the US. If 10% need repairs, that's 54,800 cars. It's about scale.

Lower Vehicle sales is NOT cost cutting measures. Maybe due to quality. Maybe due to people just didn't by a lot of cars. Ford sold 580,000 in 2018 and 548,000 in 2019.

Reduced results from Ford Credit - no relation to cost saving measures. More like lower volume, people financing from other places.

Higher investment in the development of the next generation of self-driving and electric vehicles - The exact opposite of cost saving measures.

 

[smurfslayer]

Sure dude.

I'm the one causing Gen 2 Raptors to rattle on startup and be left at dealers for weeks on end while the owners continue to pay their $700/mo bank note and drive some shit loaner around (if you dealer was nice enough to give you one).

Yup- that's ALL me.

Your assertion that the Gen 1 trucks had a lot of warranty work compare to Gen 2 trucks is absurd. The only thing on the Gen 1 that is more failure prone than a Gen 2 is the PS system.

Seriously. don’t go away mad. Just go away.

 

[OPT PRIME]

I for one will admit, as much as I love the sound of a V8, I’m ready to forgo the complexities of variable valve timing, and turbos for the future of 800-1000whp electric Raptors.

 

[GCATX]

Seriously. don’t go away mad. Just go away.

Not before he shows us on the doll where the Gen 2 touched him.

 

[Raptus]

While the video provided shows the mode.

@fordtech

Please see question below. Thanks!


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[Raptus]

]@FordTechOne. Can you tell me if the oil has to be changed or if the oil pan needs to be removed to replace the cam phasers on the Raptor?

Can you also comment on the advantages/disadvantages of removing the cab and bed to do the repair on the Raptor? The paint on my Raptor is immaculate and I’d like to be the one to mess it up myself.

Appreciate all the technical info you provide all of us.

Im scheduled to have my truck go in for cam phasers soon.


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[FordTechOne]

]@FordTechOne. Can you tell me if the oil has to be changed or if the oil pan needs to be removed to replace the cam phasers on the Raptor?

Can you also comment on the advantages/disadvantages of removing the cab and bed to do the repair on the Raptor? The paint on my Raptor is immaculate and I’d like to be the one to mess it up myself.

Appreciate all the technical info you provide all of us.

Im scheduled to have my truck go in for cam phasers soon.


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The oil will be changed as part of the procedure. Before the front cover is removed, the Workshop Manual Procedure directs to drain the engine oil and remove the filter. The oil pan does not need to be loosened or removed, as the front cover bolts to the oil pan mating surface from the front, not the bottom.

Removal of the cab is technician preference. Note that the Workshop Manual procedure does not direct the the technician to remove the cab, as it is not necessary for the repair. If the technician chooses to remove the cab, there is a published procedure in the Workshop Manual. The cab and bolts are accessed from the bottom, so the once all harness, A/C lines, and coolant hoses are disconnected, the truck is raised on the lift and the bolts are removed. Once the cab is loose from the frame, the truck is lowered to the ground and the hoist pads are then placed on the pinch welds at each side. The pinch welds are strong enough to lift the weight of the cab without collapsing. The cab is then hoisted into the air off of the chassis to allow access to the powertrain.

Since the cab fasteners are all accessed from the bottom and the lift pads are placed on the pinch welds, there should be no need to worry about paint damage.

 

[FordTechOne]

I for one will admit, as much as I love the sound of a V8, I’m ready to forgo the complexities of variable valve timing, and turbos for the future of 800-1000whp electric Raptors.

BEVs (Battery Electric Vehicles) are more complex than even the most high tech internal combustion engine. Due to high voltage, the system is closely monitored and controlled by a multitude of (extremely expensive) modules. A fault as simple as a coolant leak or a false continuity reading disables the entire vehicle and results in a "Stop Safely Now" message. Most of the time these faults occur without any warning.

This is a great channel that exposes the downfalls of electric vehicles, Tesla being the subject vehicle:

I'd replace phasers before ever touching any of that hot garbage.

 

[Raptus]

The oil will be changed as part of the procedure. Before the front cover is removed, the Workshop Manual Procedure directs to drain the engine oil and remove the filter. The oil pan does not need to be loosened or removed, as the front cover bolts to the oil pan mating surface from the front, not the bottom.

Removal of the cab is technician preference. Note that the Workshop Manual procedure does not direct the the technician to remove the cab, as it is not necessary for the repair. If the technician chooses to remove the cab, there is a published procedure in the Workshop Manual. The cab and bolts are accessed from the bottom, so the once all harness, A/C lines, and coolant hoses are disconnected, the truck is raised on the lift and the bolts are removed. Once the cab is loose from the frame, the truck is lowered to the ground and the hoist pads are then placed on the pinch welds at each side. The pinch welds are strong enough to lift the weight of the cab without collapsing. The cab is then hoisted into the air off of the chassis to allow access to the powertrain.

Since the cab fasteners are all accessed from the bottom and the lift pads are placed on the pinch welds, there should be no need to worry about paint damage.

Thanks for all of the information. Based on your experience and if it was your Raptor you were working on would you remove the cab or not?

If you remove the cab do you think the completion time would be a little more? If so, by how many hours?

I’m contemplating paying a little extra if it makes sense to remove the cab to get a better job done and keep the paint and body safe.

If the oil was just changed is it theoretically possible to remove and replace the filter and top it off when done?

Thanks again!


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[EricM]

Y'all come up with a new part number for them craptastic cam phasers yet?

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