Buying A Raptor vs Building An F-150: Is It Worth It?

[trophycummins]

The engine is substantially upgraded from stock. I'm pulling this from memory, but the turbos and intercooler are upsized. So are the cams and pistons. There is some kind of oil injection and the block might be different too. I seem to remeber the TFL Truck video in San Diego said half the parts in the eninge were upgraded over the standard 3.5 EB.

There's a thread on f150 ecoboost forum with a ford tech that has both motors apart. Components down to the pistons are identical. It's a standard 3.5 with bigger turbos was the consensus from that thread. They're even disputed fords claim to a different compression ratio.


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[jaz13]

There's a thread on f150 ecoboost forum with a ford tech that has both motors apart. Components down to the pistons are identical. It's a standard 3.5 with bigger turbos was the consensus from that thread. They're even disputed fords claim to a different compression ratio

If the repair guy understands metulargy, alloys, and heat treating, plus knows the high stress areas of each component that should be be reinforced, then he is a damn smart mechanic and probably shouldn't be a mechanic. Otherwise I'll go with what Ford said and assume they beefed up many different components to withstand the higher power levels. Things can look the same to the naked eye, but have vastly different durability. If they're different part numbers, then most likely they are different parts.

 

[trophycummins]

If the repair guy understands metulargy, alloys, and heat treating, plus knows the high stress areas of each component that should be be reinforced, then he is a damn smart mechanic and probably shouldn't be a mechanic. Otherwise I'll go with what Ford said and assume they beefed up many different components to withstand the higher power levels. Things can look the same to the naked eye, but have vastly different durability. If they're different part numbers, then most likely they are different parts.

It's pretty easy to measure a difference in compression ratio.


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[RUFdriver]

I'll go with what FoMoCo says rather than what some tech on an internet board opines.

 

[trophycummins]

I'll go with what FoMoCo says rather than what some tech on an internet board opines.

I deal with fomoco a lot. We're attached to the largest ford dealer in the world.

I do not dispute anything fomoco has said. But after seeing other motors apart, and have driven both motors with 4.10 gears attached, I have my opinion.

I do not intend to discount the integrity of the 3.5 HO. But it is my personal opinion that it is not as special as you all think it is.


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[HankTheTank]

The engine is substantially upgraded from stock. I'm pulling this from memory, but the turbos and intercooler are upsized. So are the cams and pistons. There is some kind of oil injection and the block might be different too. I seem to remeber the TFL Truck video in San Diego said half the parts in the eninge were upgraded over the standard 3.5 EB.

Brother, I think you might be confusing the difference between the 2016 3.5L EcoBoost with the 2017 3.5.
Watch this video: https://youtu.be/tkScQN7fxGg

In the beginnings the Ford guy talks about how the 2017 3.5 eco is almost all new. At the 4:10 mark he talks about the HO variant.
Exhaust manifolds, turbos, and pistons.
It's within fords best interest to maximize commonality between engines. So this makes sense...
Raptor engine is special but not by much.

 

[Truckzor]

I'll go with what FoMoCo says rather than what some tech on an internet board opines.

Grab onto that marketing hype tight. Never let go. Or maybe just let go....



Guys, it's really just a 3.5 liter ecoboost. How different can it really be? Honestly? Do any of you know anything about engines?

Tell us more about your expertise in "metulargy", heat treating, and alloys.

 

[RAPTERRIER]

Guys, it's really just a 3.5 liter ecoboost. How different can it really be? Honestly? Do any of you know anything about engines?

So the 6.2 is even that much more weak in comparison

 

[jaz13]

Grab onto that marketing hype tight. Never let go. Or maybe just let go....

Guys, it's really just a 3.5 liter ecoboost. How different can it really be? Honestly? Do any of you know anything about engines?

Tell us more about your expertise in "metulargy", heat treating, and alloys.

Material plays a substantial role in the strength of a component. If this concept confuses you, then I don't know what to say.

If you think it is "just a 3.5 liter ecoboost", then clearly you haven't driven the new Raptor.

 

[Truckzor]

So the 6.2 is even that much more weak in comparison

Huh? Has the rabies finally gotten to your brain?

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Material plays a substantial role in the strength of a component. If this concept confuses you, then I don't know what to say.

If you think it is "just a 3.5 liter ecoboost", then clearly you haven't driven the new Raptor.

Spell "metulargy" for us again. Then tell us about your expertise in metal compounds.



It's a 450 horsepower truck, bro. I don't need to drive one to know it's slow.