Bumper weight effect suspension

[Aramco Raptor]

Should have just bought a F350 Super Duty Dually and put a big F@ck off brush guard / bumper on it.

Raptors are based on a race truck...shame to fatten her up like that...but to each their own.

 

[Stepside]

Stepside will you feel any steel bumper in a turn without doing a rear bumper with it?

Any added weight will affect weight transfer when in a turn.
That being said, a balance of weight form front to rear will factor in on oversteer or understeer.
The person you should communicate with is Ice Cobra.
He has the Iron Bull Bumper both front & rear.
PM him and I'm sure he'd be glad to give you first hand info.

 

[JJ f150harley]

Should have just bought a F350 Super Duty Dually and put a big F@ck off brush guard / bumper on it.

Raptors are based on a race truck...shame to fatten her up like that...but to each their own.

Yes that would be the better route, but trying to make do with what I have and I don't have the extra $$$ to trade on an SD.

Any added weight will affect weight transfer when in a turn.
That being said, a balance of weight form front to rear will factor in on oversteer or understeer.
The person you should communicate with is Ice Cobra.
He has the Iron Bull Bumper both front & rear.
PM him and I'm sure he'd be glad to give you first hand info.

Thank you, I will I saw that he did that. Thank you for the help!

 

[svc]

As Prybar said, you should increase damping and spring rate in order to compensate for the added front end weight. With regards to it holding up to a deer, keep in mind the frames on these things are only about 80thousands thick so any impact with a large animal will almost certainly taco the front of the truck regardless of how big the bumper is.

Good luck

Jarrett

 

[JJ f150harley]

As Prybar said, you should increase damping and spring rate in order to compensate for the added front end weight. With regards to it holding up to a deer, keep in mind the frames on these things are only about 80thousands thick so any impact with a large animal will almost certainly taco the front of the truck regardless of how big the bumper is.

Good luck

Jarrett

Thanks Jarrett,
Thinking I'll do a little bigger tubing on the main part with some aluminium plating when I get it built, just gotta sell the big one first.
I'm hoping the frame doesn't fold too much, just need to make it home from the hunting grounds.

 

[boarder1995]

Added weight compensation in stiffer springs and dampners is great info. Also, consider the additional wear and tear on the front hubs, bearings, brakes, etc. due to the additional weight.
I have an old F250 SD and originally bought it with the added weight of a Road Armor addition in mind. It's held up great and can take on various mammals. The bigger front bearings, hubs, etc. all help the added front load.
Now, with an F150 based vehicle, front weight isn't liked as much due to lighter components in general, ignoring the extra soft fronts our Raptors have. Plus, it's already a nose heavy vehicle, so vehicle dynamics are already suffering (bumps/jumps, turns, etc.).
Perhaps get a good Rogue, SVC, ADD (or others) built bumper with the added skid plating rigidity, and more solid tubing on the front, versus standard bumper. It'll keep from adding too much weight, not look like something out of Road Warrier (Mel Gibson), but keep most components from getting too mangled better than a stock bumper.
Just some food for thought.

 

[JJ f150harley]

Added weight compensation in stiffer springs and dampners is great info. Also, consider the additional wear and tear on the front hubs, bearings, brakes, etc. due to the additional weight.
I have an old F250 SD and originally bought it with the added weight of a Road Armor addition in mind. It's held up great and can take on various mammals. The bigger front bearings, hubs, etc. all help the added front load.
Now, with an F150 based vehicle, front weight isn't liked as much due to lighter components in general, ignoring the extra soft fronts our Raptors have. Plus, it's already a nose heavy vehicle, so vehicle dynamics are already suffering (bumps/jumps, turns, etc.).
Perhaps get a good Rogue, SVC, ADD (or others) built bumper with the added skid plating rigidity, and more solid tubing on the front, versus standard bumper. It'll keep from adding too much weight, not look like something out of Road Warrier (Mel Gibson), but keep most components from getting too mangled better than a stock bumper.
Just some food for thought.

Thank you and that's exactly what I found out. I ran the big thing for 3kish miles and my front tire wear was almost double. And with the bumper that's what I plan to do, just add some reinforcement in the middle as I'm more concerned with impact than approach angle. Maybe a little bigger main tubing will do the trick coupled with aluminium plating to keep weight down.

Thank you to all who have posted and helped[emoji3]

 

[ntm]

I've got 100,000 miles on mine through deer infested country. No deer strikes.
You need better lights, not a battering ram on the front of the truck.
Putting that abortion of a bumper on won't help as it's just going to accordion the frame rails and push the bumper through the rad. It could actually do more serious damage to the frame due to the leverage that bumper has if hit high or low.
Get a nice prerunner bumper from one of the vendors here (look for one that ties in at the frame rails and also down by lca mounts/steering rack mounts), and make sure you've got decent insurance. That's your best defence really.

 

[JJ f150harley]

I've got 100,000 miles on mine through deer infested country. No deer strikes.
You need better lights, not a battering ram on the front of the truck.
Putting that abortion of a bumper on won't help as it's just going to accordion the frame rails and push the bumper through the rad. It could actually do more serious damage to the frame due to the leverage that bumper has if hit high or low.
Get a nice prerunner bumper from one of the vendors here (look for one that ties in at the frame rails and also down by lca mounts/steering rack mounts), and make sure you've got decent insurance. That's your best defence really.

Thanks ntm ur spot on with my plan now. I just have to sell the big guy and the lights I have now so I can do this the right way. I've had a herd time finding pics on the lower bolts, are they on the frame or on the LCA bolts?

The reason I started with the battering ram was after seeing 2 different vehicles hit deer in front of me, then my buddies ranger getting totaled all between last january-march, not even the peak deer season here. My only goal with a bumper is being able to keep driving to get home, my hunting grounds are 80~mikes away and my hunting buddy is 33~miles, I just want something to take a hit that will get me back home. If its junk after its junk, and I didn't think about the bars being pushed into the radiator.

 

[ntm]

Thanks ntm ur spot on with my plan now. I just have to sell the big guy and the lights I have now so I can do this the right way. I've had a herd time finding pics on the lower bolts, are they on the frame or on the LCA bolts?

The reason I started with the battering ram was after seeing 2 different vehicles hit deer in front of me, then my buddies ranger getting totaled all between last january-march, not even the peak deer season here. My only goal with a bumper is being able to keep driving to get home, my hunting grounds are 80~mikes away and my hunting buddy is 33~miles, I just want something to take a hit that will get me back home. If its junk after its junk, and I didn't think about the bars being pushed into the radiator.

Bring your sat phone and call for an extraction if your transportation gets crippled by a deer. Or find an h1 for sale !