7.0 V8... Yes... Again

[jabroni619]

The Raptor doesn't need an all new engine and Ford isn't going to spend the money on one. If they cave to the pressure from the V8-or-die crowd, they will simply shoehorn an existing V8 into the Raptor. Whether that is a 4.6/5.0/5.4/5.8/6.2/7.0/etc is yet to be seen.

And if all they are doing is putting an existing engine into the Raptor to please Truckzor and his high school pals, it doesn't require additional R&D and it doesn't really matter how poorly it sells.

Personally I think the HO EB becoming an option in F-150 lineup is far more likely than a V8 coming to the Raptor. But we shall see.

Shift goal posts much? This is about the ALL NEW 7.0 V8 and weather or not the Raptor will get it in the not too distant future.

If the Raptor gets the new 7 liter V8, it will not underperform the V6TT no matter how much you want it to. Like I said earlier, it wouldn't make sense to do that, not even to you.

Ford cares less about hurting your feelings than they do about appeasing the V8 crowd.

 

[jaz13]

Your insults are as weak as your logic. Here's some simple math...

395/5.0*7.0 = 550+ horsepower

You might want to start saving your pennies, friend, because there just may be a real truck motor coming back to the Raptor soon.

Ford isn't going to handicap their all new DOHC V8 to appease the Ecoboost fanboi club no matter how intimidated by it they are and no matter how much whining they do about it online and certainly no matter how many of their ********** fantasies they project onto others.

You do have some pennies left after that huge truck note, don't you?

When I said blowing, I was actually taking about supercharging, but if the first thing that pops into your mind is homosexual acts, who am I to judge? Good for you for being so open about it.

As for your algebra, I'm sure your math teacher is proud, but unfortunately very few things in the real world are linear. That's why cats can jump 5ft, yet an elephant can't even get off the ground. Going from a V8 to a V10 of similar cylinder dimensions would be mostly linear, but scaling cylinders is incredibly complex and that doesn't even account for more mundane things like difference in redlines. Most likely you and everyone else will be underwhelmed when the 7.0 figures are released.

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Shift goal posts much? This is about the ALL NEW 7.0 V8 and weather or not the Raptor will get it in the not too distant future.

If the Raptor gets the new 7 liter V8, it will not underperform the V6TT no matter how much you want it to. Like I said earlier, it wouldn't make sense to do that, not even to you.

Ford cares less about hurting your feelings than they do about appeasing the V8 crowd.

Obviously you aren't paying attention. Ford doesn't give a shit about the V8 crowd and is why their halo truck only comes with a "Taurus motor".

 

[dbull65]

I just have a hard time calling anything in the low 14s fast. That's Honda Accord territory.

It is all a matter of perspective. I am not sure there is another stock truck that is as fast or even was as fast as the Gen 2 Raptor. I have owned many fast cars, Shelby GT, Vettes, 2 different Porsches. I even owned a supercharged Harley Truck and a 2013 Raptor SCREW. All my Sports cars and hot rods were faster than my current raptor. But for a TRUCK the Raptor is fast. Also, if you look at it current Camry and Honda Accords are faster than Ferraris from the 1980s.

 

[jabroni619]

Obviously you aren't paying attention. Ford doesn't give a shit about the V8 crowd and is why their halo truck only comes with a "Taurus motor".

Shifting goal posts yet again?

What is your argument? That it won't get a V8? That's a fair argument

That if it does get the ALL NEW 7.0 it's going to underperform the EB V6? That's retarded. Even to you. In fact, ever since I pointed out that even you don't believe that makes sense, your arguments have been all over the place.

 

[BurnOut]

Without getting into the pissing contest, I'll say that I think that it'll be tough to beat the EB Raptor's torque number by too much with an emissions-compliant NA motor. The horsepower number wouldn't be too tough to beat, as all it takes is RPM to do it (if we assume peak power for the 7.0L at, say, 6k RPM... it'd only take ~395 ft/lb to match the EB Raptor's 450 horsepower).

It'd be easy to take the hp/L and tq/L figures for the '18 F150 5.0L and apply them to a 7.0L displacement (to come up with 553 hp and 560 ft/lb), but output-per-displacement usually doesn't scale in a linear fashion... because cylinder head flow, etc... usually doesn't scale in a linear fashion. In order for those numbers to be even close to accurate, the cylinder head flow of the 7.0L would have to be 40% better than the 5.0L (since 7.0L is 40% larger than 5.0L), and that's just not terribly realistic. 20-25% would be a more realistic number in that regard, IMO.

Food for thought.

 

[df4801]

Can we still talk about this subject next year after it does not happen for the 2019's?

I enjoy this topic every year! Been having it since 2016.

 

[adeerchaser]

Can we still talk about this subject next year after it does not happen for the 2019's?

I enjoy this topic every year! Been having it since 2016.

We can. However, the same as every year, the Jennies will first have the how badass the v6 is, how much we love it, don't change anything discussion. Then we will

 

[Truckzor]

When I said blowing, I was actually taking about supercharging, but if the first thing that pops into your mind is homosexual acts, who am I to judge? Good for you for being so open about it.

Be a big girl and own up to your trolling.

As for your algebra, I'm sure your math teacher is proud, but unfortunately very few things in the real world are linear. That's why cats can jump 5ft, yet an elephant can't even get off the ground. Going from a V8 to a V10 of similar cylinder dimensions would be mostly linear, but scaling cylinders is incredibly complex and that doesn't even account for more mundane things like difference in redlines. Most likely you and everyone else will be underwhelmed when the 7.0 figures are released.

It's really not all that complex. Even tuned for massive low end power and long term reliability (in other words, not an Ecoboost) it would be hard to make a 7.0 DOHC V8 put out less than 500 horsepower.

Here's a DOHC 7.0 built for marine levels of reliability putting out 750:

Mercury Racing's New 750-HP Corvette-Based Crate Engine Is One Mean, Green Machine - The Drive

And just for fun, here's a lowly 6.2 SOHC bored and stroked belting out 850:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDeaJe4Hb6Q

Obviously you aren't paying attention. Ford doesn't give a shit about the V8 crowd and is why their halo truck only comes with a "Taurus motor".

This is wishful thinking. There are many reasons that the Gen 2 has an Ecoboost but that is not one of them.

Horsepower Kings ran an article once saying Ford was moving away from V8 engines in truck and Mustangs. Ford fell all over themselves rushing out a response.

https://www.carscoops.com/2015/01/ford-official-we-will-not-drop-v8-from/

When's the last time you saw Ford respond to a Horsepower Kings article?

Bottom line, you're completely full of shit.

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the cylinder head flow of the 7.0L would have to be 40% better than the 5.0L (since 7.0L is 40% larger than 5.0L), and that's just not terribly realistic. 20-25% would be a more realistic number in that regard, IMO.

Food for thought.

This is purely speculative. Doesn't really matter, though. If it's only ever going to be a truck motor it probably will be pretty low in terms of specific output. And I don't think it's very likely they will put it in the Raptor, anyway.

Hell, at this point, I don't even want them to. I really don't want another Raptor right now and a DOHC 7.0 would be too good to pass up.

 

[Frank N]

 

[Truckzor]

And yet you are still here.