7.0 V8... Yes... Again

[jaz13]

Nobody "knows" what the 7.0 is going to be used for. Again, if you think they're going to make this a lower performance option in the Raptor, you're delusional, drunk or both.

It may not ever make it into the Raptor, but if it does, it certainly won't me a higher cost/lower performance option like you're suggesting. That makes zero sense and should make zero sense to you as well.

Ford is very proud of the HO V6TT in the Raptor. They put a lot of effort into it and what doesn't make sense is to throw all of that away after 2 years simply because some people don't like the sound.

Assuming it fits, it will be fairly trivial to shoehorn a SD V8 into the Raptor and Ford might do it for no other reason than to get all the whiny ******* to shut up about a V8. And if it is heavier, less efficient, and has less power, the V6TT will still be the engine of choice. But guys like Truckzor and his highschool pals can blow the shit out of the V8 and everyone is happy.

What I don't see is Ford designing an all new V8 motor just for the Raptor. Ain't gonna happen.

 

[HotLap]

Ford is very proud of the HO V6TT in the Raptor. They put a lot of effort into it and what doesn't make sense is to throw all of that away after 2 years simply because some people don't like the sound.

Assuming it fits, it will be fairly trivial to shoehorn a SD V8 into the Raptor and Ford might do it for no other reason than to get all the whiny ******* to shut up about a V8. And if it is heavier, less efficient, and has less power, the V6TT will still be the engine of choice. But guys like Truckzor and his highschool pals can blow the shit out of the V8 and everyone is happy.

What I don't see is Ford designing an all new V8 motor just for the Raptor. Ain't gonna happen.

I would tend to agree and since they are selling all the V6TT's they can produce - not likely Ford will update the engine until (at the earliest) the next Gen Raptor is introduced...

 

[jabroni619]

Ford is very proud of the HO V6TT in the Raptor. They put a lot of effort into it and what doesn't make sense is to throw all of that away after 2 years simply because some people don't like the sound.

Assuming it fits, it will be fairly trivial to shoehorn a SD V8 into the Raptor and Ford might do it for no other reason than to get all the whiny ******* to shut up about a V8. And if it is heavier, less efficient, and has less power, the V6TT will still be the engine of choice. But guys like Truckzor and his highschool pals can blow the shit out of the V8 and everyone is happy.

What I don't see is Ford designing an all new V8 motor just for the Raptor. Ain't gonna happen.

I don’t think anyone is claiming a Raptor exclusive. Even the V6TT isn’t a raptor exclusive.

Again, putting a lower performing, more expensive V8 makes zero sense. I’ll bet money that if a V8 happens, it won’t happen the way you think it will.

 

[AndysLog]

thats why a 5.0 makes the most sense guys.


listen to my brain invade your brain and love it. best of all worlds and keeps everyone happy. it literally makes no sense it wasnt an option.

UNLESSSSSSS. the raptor to ford is a giant PR campaign and they are force feeding that motor down everyones gullet to prove if its good enough for a ******* "offroad race truck" its good enough for the every day working man.

cause lets be honest, raptors are cool but without the backbone of America buying f150s like they are not going to be here tomorrow is the reason we have raptors.

those ****** fackers.

 

[jaz13]

I don’t think anyone is claiming a Raptor exclusive. Even the V6TT isn’t a raptor exclusive.

Again, putting a lower performing, more expensive V8 makes zero sense. I’ll bet money that if a V8 happens, it won’t happen the way you think it will.

I don't understand why you think the V8 must be more powerful than the V6TT. It's pretty clear Ford's corporate mission is to push EcoBoost and the best way to do that is keeping it the most powerful engine in the lineup. The lesser V8 will be little more than a token concession for the V8-or-die crowd. That's what they do in the F-150 line and is why the 3.5 EB outsells the V8. No reason to think they won't do the same in the Raptor line if they offer two engines.

 

[FmaxTurboSi]

just give me a small v8 twin turbo and call it day. Hell, even a 4.0L twin turbo v8 is good enough for me.

 

[Truckzor]

Ford is very proud of the HO V6TT in the Raptor. They put a lot of effort into it and what doesn't make sense is to throw all of that away after 2 years simply because some people don't like the sound.

Assuming it fits, it will be fairly trivial to shoehorn a SD V8 into the Raptor and Ford might do it for no other reason than to get all the whiny ******* to shut up about a V8. And if it is heavier, less efficient, and has less power, the V6TT will still be the engine of choice. But guys like Truckzor and his highschool pals can blow the shit out of the V8 and everyone is happy.

What I don't see is Ford designing an all new V8 motor just for the Raptor. Ain't gonna happen.

Your insults are as weak as your logic. Here's some simple math...

395/5.0*7.0 = 550+ horsepower

You might want to start saving your pennies, friend, because there just may be a real truck motor coming back to the Raptor soon.

Ford isn't going to handicap their all new DOHC V8 to appease the Ecoboost fanboi club no matter how intimidated by it they are and no matter how much whining they do about it online and certainly no matter how many of their ********** fantasies they project onto others.

You do have some pennies left after that huge truck note, don't you?

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just give me a small v8 twin turbo and call it day. Hell, even a 4.0L twin turbo v8 is good enough for me.

I have been saying for years that an undersquare 4.0 liter EB V8 would make more power, be much more fun to drive, and get better real world fuel economy than a V6 because it wouldn't need to be in the boost all the time to make any power.

But at the end of the day this new 7.0 liter NA V8 is going to be a better truck engine. You just can't beat a big lazy V8 for real world driveability, durability, initial cost, cost to maintain, etc.

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Holy balls, this again. As has been mentioned elsewhere in the thread, if Ford decides that the Raptor needs more power, it's a hell of a lot easier to upgrade the turbos/tune than it is to install/certify a whole different engine.

Honest question: if this is true, then where are all the big turbo trucks making big power? The few I have heard about have all lost their bottom ends and no one is talking about why.

 

[jabroni619]

I don't understand why you think the V8 must be more powerful than the V6TT. It's pretty clear Ford's corporate mission is to push EcoBoost and the best way to do that is keeping it the most powerful engine in the lineup. The lesser V8 will be little more than a token concession for the V8-or-die crowd. That's what they do in the F-150 line and is why the 3.5 EB outsells the V8. No reason to think they won't do the same in the Raptor line if they offer two engines.

It's really quite simple. First off, the current V8 in the F150 actually produces more HP than the EB V6 in the F150, so the EB is not clearly better than the V8. In comparison tests, the EB is better to 60 but the V8 is going significantly faster at the end of the 1/4 mile. Again, a toss up.


Secondly, your theory simply makes zero sense. Even to you...

If Ford simply shoehorns a SuperDuty V8 in the Raptor that is heavier, thirstier, and comes with less HP/torque than the V6TT, I wonder how popular it would be?

It wouldn't be popular at all, which is why IF (notice the IF) the Raptor gets the V8, it won't be in the configuration you describe above.

 

[jaz13]

It's really quite simple. First off, the current V8 in the F150 actually produces more HP than the EB V6 in the F150, so the EB is not clearly better than the V8. In comparison tests, the EB is better to 60 but the V8 is going significantly faster at the end of the 1/4 mile. Again, a toss up.


Secondly, your theory simply makes zero sense. Even to you...




It wouldn't be popular at all, which is why IF (notice the IF) the Raptor gets the V8, it won't be in the configuration you describe above.

The Raptor doesn't need an all new engine and Ford isn't going to spend the money on one. If they cave to the pressure from the V8-or-die crowd, they will simply shoehorn an existing V8 into the Raptor. Whether that is a 4.6/5.0/5.4/5.8/6.2/7.0/etc is yet to be seen.

And if all they are doing is putting an existing engine into the Raptor to please Truckzor and his high school pals, it doesn't require additional R&D and it doesn't really matter how poorly it sells.

Personally I think the HO EB becoming an option in F-150 lineup is far more likely than a V8 coming to the Raptor. But we shall see.

 

[Raptorguy1]

We see GT500 leaks like a year in advance, yet not a single vid, pic or shred of evidence for a 7.0 Raptor. Don't get me wrong, I'd love it if it were true, but it ain't happening this year. If there's an update for 2019 it'll probably be pretty minor.





While I agree Ford has no answer to the Trackhawk, they don't need to. They do however need an answer to anything threatening their Raptor brand. They're literally doubling down on off road vehicles and they're going to make sure they're seen as the top player in the space.

This is what may make it reality this time around. RAM and Chevy are looking to jump into the off road market. The minute one of those brings out a V8, customers will go for those. As most know, the biggest complaint about Raptor is it sounds more like an angry Honda. Any product like Raptor with a V8 rumble will steal a lot of sales.