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[4wheelinAZ]

I know we don't buy these trucks for mpg, did you notice that the 35" mpg is 15 city 18 highway, and the 37" is 15 city and 16 highway.

that’s what big tires do my man

 

[Littlefx4]

I thought Ford was going to crack down on dealers with ADM's?

Reportedly, Ford only made mention of limiting future allocations (Lightning, Raptor, etc) of those dealers taking advantage…to put it lightly. Really can‘t do anything about a truck that’s already been allocated and ordered.

 

[IERAPTOR]

Man if it was white I would be all over it. As crazy as it sounds 8K in this market isn’t bad.

 

[CINISI]

Man if it was white I would be all over it. As crazy as it sounds 8K in this market isn’t bad.

The market is what you want it to be. Any amount over MSRP is legal robbery. If you let someone rip you off it’s not “this market”.

 

[RaptorWhoSaysNI]

I thought Ford was going to crack down on dealers with ADM's?

Just unreasonable ADMs, but who determines those unreasonable levels?

 

[RaptorWhoSaysNI]

Reportedly, Ford only made mention of limiting future allocations (Lightning, Raptor, etc) of those dealers taking advantage…to put it lightly. Really can‘t do anything about a truck that’s already been allocated and ordered.

There was no specific models mentioned in the conference call regarding limiting allocations, I listened to the entire call. Following from transcript of the call "We have about 10% of our dealers last year in the supply constrained environment that, were charging above MSRP to our best of our knowledge. We have very good knowledge of who they are. And their future allocation of product will be directly impacted because of that policy. And we've seen really quick action by our team."

 

[BalorGrayJax]

The market is what you want it to be. Any amount over MSRP is legal robbery. If you let someone rip you off it’s not “this market”.

"Manufacturers SUGGESTED Retail Price". Why do some of you get so salty over ADM? Do you spit in your cashiers face when the NY Strips and Ribeyes went up a few bucks? Is it a rip off now? Toys are more expensive for kids, a $9.99 toy at one place could be $19.99 somewhere else. Do you harp on the store manager there as well? Are you one of those people thinking the housing market is going to crash so all these people paying $30k over asking price are getting taken for a ride in this "sellers market"?

Look, it's not cliche, it's simple supply meet demand. There are more people with more disposable income than ever before, more dual income families with 75%+ more earnings than they've experienced. What you're seeing is a result of "stimulus" coupled with a pandemic, and perfectly timed chip shortages that aren't going away in 2022. No one is getting robbed. If person X wants to pay the price, person X gets the freedom to do so. If person Y doesn't, that's their choice in this free capitalist market. For some, time and convenience is more valuable than research, forums, and calling 40 dealers to catch a $1000 plane ride to spend $800 in gas on the way home and pay double out of state taxes... OOPS YOU JUST PAID ADM...

 

[K9 EXPERT]

"Manufacturers SUGGESTED Retail Price". Why do some of you get so salty over ADM? Do you spit in your cashiers face when the NY Strips and Ribeyes went up a few bucks? Is it a rip off now? Toys are more expensive for kids, a $9.99 toy at one place could be $19.99 somewhere else. Do you harp on the store manager there as well? Are you one of those people thinking the housing market is going to crash so all these people paying $30k over asking price are getting taken for a ride in this "sellers market"?

Look, it's not cliche, it's simple supply meet demand. There are more people with more disposable income than ever before, more dual income families with 75%+ more earnings than they've experienced. What you're seeing is a result of "stimulus" coupled with a pandemic, and perfectly timed chip shortages that aren't going away in 2022. No one is getting robbed. If person X wants to pay the price, person X gets the freedom to do so. If person Y doesn't, that's their choice in this free capitalist market. For some, time and convenience is more valuable than research, forums, and calling 40 dealers to catch a $1000 plane ride to spend $800 in gas on the way home and pay double out of state taxes... OOPS YOU JUST PAID ADM...

That is the smartest statement about ADM’s I have read on this forum! It is like the mask or shot, if a person wants to wear it and/or get the vaccine, do it, if I don’t want to do it, don’t call me names and mandate it.

 

[melvimbe]

"Manufacturers SUGGESTED Retail Price". Why do some of you get so salty over ADM? Do you spit in your cashiers face when the NY Strips and Ribeyes went up a few bucks? Is it a rip off now? Toys are more expensive for kids, a $9.99 toy at one place could be $19.99 somewhere else. Do you harp on the store manager there as well?

This is not true. Many manufacturers, in toys and other product categories, strictly enforce MSRP. A retailer is not allowed to sell above or below MSRP without the manufacturer allowing it. This is why when you see BD lights on sale during Black Friday, for example, it's on sale everywhere. It's why xbox and PS5 are the same price everywhere.

And yes, this does occasionally create a secondary market when supply doesn't meet demand, and people are willing to pay more. Retailers will respond by either limiting the quantity you can purchase or out right black listing known scalpers. And of course, there are certainly people willing to buy overpriced goods that are in short supply through a secondary market.

Are you one of those people thinking the housing market is going to crash so all these people paying $30k over asking price are getting taken for a ride in this "sellers market"?

There is no MSRP in the housing market. Someone paying $30k over asking price means that you or your realtor did a horrible job setting the price.

Look, it's not cliche, it's simple supply meet demand. There are more people with more disposable income than ever before, more dual income families with 75%+ more earnings than they've experienced.

No, not really. In recent years, the richer have gotten richer, while the middle class has not been able to keep pace with inflation. If people are buying more goods, it's because they are changing where they spend their money, unable to spend their money on services or vacations due to government restrictions.

What you're seeing is a result of "stimulus" coupled with a pandemic, and perfectly timed chip shortages that aren't going away in 2022. No one is getting robbed. If person X wants to pay the price, person X gets the freedom to do so. If person Y doesn't, that's their choice in this free capitalist market. For some, time and convenience is more valuable than research, forums, and calling 40 dealers to catch a $1000 plane ride to spend $800 in gas on the way home and pay double out of state taxes... OOPS YOU JUST PAID ADM...

True, you are not wrong about supply and demand. However, there is nothing wrong with people saying they are unwilling to overpay. Nothing wrong with wanting Ford to use it's leverage to attempt to better control pricing. Those customers who don't care about ADM will prefer it the way it is.

The question really is, does Ford stand to lose or gain from enforcing MSRP? I think it does it some cases, when they need/want customers to buy a new vehicle in higher volumes, which is the case for EVs, probably broncos, even if they can't meet the demand right now. It effects their ability to continue to sell these vehicles in the future. It's also why a lot of dealers have a no ADM policy. For other vehicles, maybe not so much. Then again, I don't think they want all the Raptors ending up in California where the big ADMs can be had.

 

[BalorGrayJax]

This is not true. Many manufacturers, in toys and other product categories, strictly enforce MSRP. A retailer is not allowed to sell above or below MSRP without the manufacturer allowing it. This is why when you see BD lights on sale during Black Friday, for example, it's on sale everywhere. It's why xbox and PS5 are the same price everywhere.

And yes, this does occasionally create a secondary market when supply doesn't meet demand, and people are willing to pay more. Retailers will respond by either limiting the quantity you can purchase or out right black listing known scalpers. And of course, there are certainly people willing to buy overpriced goods that are in short supply through a secondary market.



There is no MSRP in the housing market. Someone paying $30k over asking price means that you or your realtor did a horrible job setting the price.



No, not really. In recent years, the richer have gotten richer, while the middle class has not been able to keep pace with inflation. If people are buying more goods, it's because they are changing where they spend their money, unable to spend their money on services or vacations due to government restrictions.



True, you are not wrong about supply and demand. However, there is nothing wrong with people saying they are unwilling to overpay. Nothing wrong with wanting Ford to use it's leverage to attempt to better control pricing. Those customers who don't care about ADM will prefer it the way it is.

The question really is, does Ford stand to lose or gain from enforcing MSRP? I think it does it some cases, when they need/want customers to buy a new vehicle in higher volumes, which is the case for EVs, probably broncos, even if they can't meet the demand right now. It effects their ability to continue to sell these vehicles in the future. It's also why a lot of dealers have a no ADM policy. For other vehicles, maybe not so much. Then again, I don't think they want all the Raptors ending up in California where the big ADMs can be had.

You're wrong. A manufacturer cannot dictate to any retailer of any kind at what price point to sell their product to the end user. The MSRP encapsulates the estimated markup of a potential retailer, but at the retailers discretion they may reduce or increase their price point. Are you going to see Walmart sell a $499 PS5 for $899? Of course not, but that's not the model, they don't need that markup, and they don't need that press. Do you see, however, Walmart and Best Buy charging more or less than MSRP for appliances such as Ovens, Televisions et al? Absolutely. Maybe you just don't know it.

Also LMAO @ your housing market comment. Not sure if this was all a joke post, so I suppose I won't respond again.. funny stuff, but hopefully no one else took the bait.