2014 Gen I vs. 2017 Gen II Suspension Impressions

[bosssho]

I have quite a bit of testing under the new truck but no gen 1 comparison. I can tell you the Gen 1 had a thick load leaf and the Gen 2 doesn't and that is why they are sagging more with the same trailer. This is definitely driven by the wheel travel. Tire Psi made a noticeable improvement in the rear ride but adding my expedition gear to the bed is what really made the truck feel planted. The aluminum bed/tailgate is very thin and light so I am sure a lot of sprung weight came off back while the unsprung weight did not. Tuning a live axle suspension with a low sprung weight is hard because the mass of the unsprung weight is so large hence the addition of a few hundred pounds in the bed improving the handing. I also have experimented with the front swaybar on/off. It is huge and helps a lot for street cornering but makes potholes and single wheel impacts quite violent. With it off these are soaked up great and the offroad ride is vastly improved. I hope the aftermarket comes out with a more modest swaybar that provides a better balance. The tire roll is very noticeable and I attribute this to these being custom made for this truck as load range C tires which flex a lot more, especially cornering on and braking on the street. You can go to BFG tire specs and look it up, these have a special note for Ford. One experiment you can do because you have your 14 is a quick wheel tire swap if you have higher load range tires on it. I would be curious to see the ride change. Just like most stock leaves, the race derived ones will improve the ride but not necessarily the towing. One of the bump kits with a 4" bump or adjustable can mount is the best solution. If you don't offroad much, maybe the Gen 1 overload spring will bolt straight up. Either of these will allow level towing with a light trailer. For heavier trailers you must use a weight distribution hitch. Read the manual for the weigh cutoff for hitch styles. I also have more info on my 800A+ build thread and offroad owners impression thread. Do some experiments and tell us about it.


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Unreal info, a lot to digest, will do, and will get back to you. I forgot the new Tires were C...was thinking they were E...my bad...b/c the off the shelf new KO2s are E...and ride great even when compared to the Ds of the 1st GEN KOs.

I also thought the Aluminum Ford used was all Up front for some reason...not sure if I read that in a MAG or what, but either way I was wrong so my bad on that end of thinking as well.

Again, great info here, this is why I LOVE the Forums, and why they work...Thanks so much.

 

[hkguns]

The disagrement is the drama around it being a huge issue. You're blowing it out of proportion. Yes it exists, no it isn't a flipping sports car, it is a truck. Get over it.



Go over to the thread I posted, I see you conveniently ignored that part. But shit birds like you are the issue. You find one thing and you obsess over it, ignoring all of the other huge improvements.



Good thing you're in the minority here. Don't respond because you have nothing to add but bitching and looking for people who support your position. You're on the ole ignore list now tool.

 

[Bark beetle]

I need to correct one aspect in my statement above, the Gen 2 does have a secondary spring but it isn't very thick and tapers out quickly. A side by side comparison would be nice. I am going to guess the Gen 1 secondary spring is thicker and doesn't taper as much which results in a higher spring rate once the secondary spring is engaged.


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[EricM]

The disagrement is the drama around it being a huge issue. You're blowing it out of proportion. Yes it exists, not it isn't a flipping sports car, it i a truck. Get over it.

Go over to the thread I posted, I see you conveniently ignored that part. But shit birds like you are the issue. You find one thing and you obsess over it, ignoring all of the other huge improvements.

Good thing you're in the minority here. Don't respond because you have nothing to add but bitching and looking for people who support your position. You're on the ole ignore list now tool.

He owns both a Gen 1 and Gen 2 Raptor. Do you? Have you driven both trucks in high speed off road scenarios? He has. He has used both trucks in the exact scenario Ford designed them for and has issues with the Gen 2's performance compared to a Gen 1. You and your ilk don't think it's a big deal because you don't use your trucks that way.

You are in here ******** all over his thread as usual, then go on to say you are putting him on your ignore list because apparently you don't like his replies to your shit posts. Maybe if you had just stayed the **** out of it since you have no actual experience in the matter you wouldn't be so butt hurt about what he said to you.

 

[Aaron]

The disagrement is the drama around it being a huge issue. You're blowing it out of proportion. Yes it exists, not it isn't a flipping sports car, it i a truck. Get over it.



Go over to the thread I posted, I see you conveniently ignored that part. But shit birds like you are the issue. You find one thing and you obsess over it, ignoring all of the other huge improvements.



Good thing you're in the minority here. Don't respond because you have nothing to add but bitching and looking for people who support your position. You're on the ole ignore list now tool.

How dare anyone questioning RaptorJesus's prowess. Gotta justify that money you spent right? Just because it isn't an issue to you doesn't mean it isn't to others.

For example I run straight pipes and don't care about drone, but I don't shit on people who do.

If you haven't put me on your ignore list yet, might as well while you're at it. Maybe go start a new thread more along your knowledge base, like "what's your favorite frappuccino".


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[hkguns]

He owns both a Gen 1 and Gen 2 Raptor. Do you? Have you driven both trucks in high speed off road scenarios? He has. He has used both trucks in the exact scenario Ford designed them for and has issues with the Gen 2's performance compared to a Gen 1. You and your ilk don't think it's a big deal because you don't use your trucks that way.



You are in here ******** all over his thread as usual, then go on to say you are putting him on your ignore list because apparently you don't like his replies to your shit posts. Maybe if you had just stayed the **** out of it since you have no actual experience in the matter you wouldn't be so butt hurt about what he said to you.

I don't give a flying **** if he owns 15 get it?

 

[Aaron]

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[2014RubyRed]

I don't give a flying **** if he owns 15 get it?

Reading your posts brings a brand new word to mind, created just for you:



Butt ****

 

[Aaron]

Reading your posts brings a brand new word to mind, created just for you:







Butt ****

Or fuckwagon...


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[Bullishone]

The brakes sucked on my 2011, they're slightly better on my 2017.

I tow a 6000lb+ boat not even a little sag. The 2017 tows waaaay nicer than the 2011.

I don't know how you can say it drives like a Cutlass then it's hard as a rock. You take your airpressure down to off-road levels and complain about the on road handling... Sounds like your truck is ******.

You should sell it as fast as you can! Get a Denali, you'll be happier.

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