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I can see and understand both sides to a degree. The one part where I start to get a little uneasy is the phrase "take advantage of"... I know you used "the current market" as your qualifier but that also equates to "consumers and customers". When a seller "takes advantage of" their customers...

I agree that the other list is also helpful. I am using that list to figure out where to even try to send my business. I do not fault certain capitalists from attempting to get as much money as possible from those willing and anxious to spend it. I am not looking to make anybody cry and I am...

I am DEFINITLY not a dealer. I actually put a dealer on the list for the ADM they were asking. I am just a guy looking to get a raptor at or below MSRP at some point between now and next summer.

I really don't think of it as shaming and I doubt anyone here is against the flow of capitalism and commerce and the American value of "making an honest buck". The old adage of "time is money" applies here and folks looking to avoid wasting effort on places that are asking for more than even the...

Well, that would be the "bee's knees" to have it at invoice but I am not gonna hold my breath on finding that in my purchase window timeframe. :-)

I am putting in legwork to find a dealer willing to get me in a Gen2 by middle of 2017 for MSRP or better (lower). I don't think MSRP is a terrible thing for a capitalist society. The gouging ABOVE MSRP is IMHO tacky at best but if the market will bear it, so be it. I refuse to spend over MSRP...