What would you ask SVT Engineering?

[Wilson]

Thanks' for the info. Bird sticky no sense in letting it get lost?

11. Shock Perch? Why is it adjustable?
• Everything was tested and meant to remain on bottom perch. SVT advised against adjusting the perch, stating that it could hurt other components in the suspension by changing the angle they were designed for. It was then asked why it was adjustable if we shouldn't adjust it. They stated that they had a long process with Fox to begin with as they were not used to making shocks for a road ready vehicle. They stated that the shocks are adjustable to allow people the ability to do so, but SVT DOES NOT recommend it.
• Jamal mentioned that moving up on the perch removed jounce travel and sacrifices function.

glad he didn't say it voids warranty. I don't know what jounce travel is and if it is setup right dose it sacrifice function? understandably it takes away from the marshmallow feel. It would be nice if it was tested on all three settings.

 

[Squatting Dog]

That reminded me.. The Raptor lower shock bolts are purposely anodized blue so line workers can identify the correct lower shock bolt to install and which calibrated torque gun to use. It also provides a visual verification that the correct bolt was used when they are inspecting the vehicle.

-Greg (aka squatting dog)

 

[Yukon Joe]

I also want to add some words that was said about the nannies and ORM and such.

Jamal questioned why we wanted to remove all the stability control. He mentioned that a significant amount of research went into the programming of ORM and traction control. He said it is so good, that no one can out drive it.

This was interesting, and someone joked that they like to think they can.

Someone asked why they couldn't drift brake.
Jamal mentioned that the test team didn't have any problems drift braking.

Yukon Joe
Delta Force
Snoball500 Support Raptor

 

[Wilson]

^ I could be a raptor tester.

 

[Squatting Dog]

Except in newer models with brake over throttle override.. (thanks eco nerds and their toyotas)

Speaking of this it was brought up about a track key disabling tpms, and nannies. "how can you be sure it would be used on the road" and a comment was made about tpms "talk to congress"

Also, I was questioned a little further about IWE issues.. They have not seen warranty issues up till 2012 when torsen was introduced. Which I was like really, that is because 04 and up didn't have torsen and wouldn't round teeth off until it was out of warranty. Now with the torsen you are seeing accelerated wear and failure because of extra torque and power being applied.

Again I got the "SVT did not design IWE system, it is a carry over from FX4 with lengthened cv axles. The historical failure rate was well within our design criteria for the Raptor. "

(iwe, cv joints were a sore subject, don't think I will be invited back)

-Greg (aka squatting dog)

 

[justvettn]

Greg, will the parts you broke at snowball be covered under your Ford warranty?

 

[Yukon Joe]

Except in newer models with brake over throttle override.. (thanks eco nerds and their toyotas)

Speaking of this it was brought up about a track key disabling tpms, and nannies. "how can you be sure it would be used on the road" and a comment was made about tpms "talk to congress"

Also, I was questioned a little further about IWE issues.. They have not seen warranty issues up till 2012 when torsen was introduced. Which I was like really, that is because 04 and up didn't have torsen and wouldn't round teeth off until it was out of warranty. Now with the torsen you are seeing accelerated wear and failure because of extra torque and power being applied.

Again I got the "SVT did not design IWE system, it is a carry over from FX4 with lengthened cv axles. The historical failure rate was well within our design criteria for the Raptor. "

(iwe, cv joints were a sore subject, don't think I will be invited back)

-Greg (aka squatting dog)

I think SVT knows there are limitations to this, and they can't fix it. If the Raptor is always evolving, perhaps in the future it will be addressed.

Yukon Joe
Delta Force
Snoball500 Support Raptor

 

[Squatting Dog]

Greg, will the parts you broke at snowball be covered under your Ford warranty?

I am not sure.. But more than likely yes.. I am working on a fix for this issue, if I can get it figured out and tested.. I will let everyone know.. So, I am not replacing them with warranty parts, unless I can't work out, then I will..

-Greg (aka squatting dog)

 

[justvettn]

Thanks Greg, I was surprised to hear what happened to your truck now that it is lowered and - offsets are no more. Not bashing the Raptor but not very confident in it, (because of the Torsen that we have,) if I go off roading and get stuck that my 4x4 system isn't going to break or chew it self up and not get me out.

 

[Squatting Dog]

Thanks Greg, I was surprised to hear what happened to your truck now that it is lowered and - offsets are no more. Not bashing the Raptor but not very confident in it, (because of the Torsen that we have,) if I go off roading and get stuck that my 4x4 system isn't going to break or chew it self up and not get me out.

Well, it is no secret that I push my truck hard in all conditions and environments. Couple things to remember it seems with the torsen, shifting on the fly (even though Ford says it is okay) causes rounding of IWE teeth. So always slow down or stop before engaging 4wd.. I know this is not always possible so at least get off the gas in a straight line before engaging. This way the IWE gears can engage with little or no load on them, and without speed difference between sides.
When they go out, it is not all at once unless you are climbing up a steep hill under full throttle and it slams into 4wd.. What normally happens you will feel or hear it pop (the front axle will feel like it is binding) when you hear this now is the time to stop bouncing off rev limiter.. Start driving like you are on ice, slow steady pressure on throttle, and most of the time it will hold to get you out and on to the pavement. Even if you have to use aggressive throttle it will hold and start slipping/clunking more and more. You will know you are hosed when any amount of throttle/acceleration causes continuous popping (my wife says it sound like jiffy pop popcorn popping).. You will not be totally hosed yet.. The way the gears wear down it will slip in forward direction... If you are careful you can throw it into reverse and still have 4wd enough to hopefully get you out on solid ground.

I hope this helps...

-Greg (aka squatting dog)