GEN 2 Transmission failure, post-repair noise

[jabroni619]

So after the truck's visit to the dealer last week, the noise from underneath has stopped. Prior to taking it in, I put my phone under the truck and hit record while going back and forth and was able to capture the sound. The dealer lubricated both ends of the driveshaft, which seems to have helped. They also ordered a new slip yoke to be installed on Monday. Seems it at the point where they're just throwing parts at it and hoping for the best.

I agree that the tranny should have been swapped when it failed. The service department did not disclose the extent of the damage and repairs required until the transmission was actually repaired. Whether this was intentional or not, I don't know. I also agree that it's possible that the transmission was repaired properly and could be perfectly fine now.

At this point, there's a huge psychological factor at play in that I no longer trust this truck. I've been deliberating my next move over the last week or so, and when I hopped in the truck yesterday to leave work, the check engine light came on, which was pretty much the nail in the coffin for me. (Can't get diagnosed till next week.) Unfortunately, we don't have lemon laws up here in Canada, so I plan on sitting down with the dealer to see what kind of deal I could get trading it in for a '19. I'm also strongly considering trading it in on something else altogether, even though it would be boring compared to the Raptor. There seems to be a number of Raptor owners who've had faulty units, who've traded up to a newer one. I'm having a hard time with the idea of paying even more for a newer version of the very vehicle that caused me a lot of headache, even though the next one could be perfectly fine. Speaks to how fun these trucks are to drive I suppose.

I appreciate the input.

The "there seems to be a number of owners with issue" argument happens every time with every manufacturer when someone has an issue. I'm part of several forums and FB groups that aren't raptor related and I see people saying this all the time whenever they don't have a positive experience. It has nothing to do with it being any more problematic than any other truck, you're just hyper sensitive when you see or read someone having an issue. Not unlike buying a car and suddenly noticing more of them on the road. It's not that everyone followed your lead and purchased the same car, it's that you're more aware of them on the road.

I’ll play devil’s advocate here, as I had a previous vehicle that the trans went bad in, was replaced with a remanufactured unit and but for some loose bolts on the pan and some fluid seeping out from the initial repair, the thing ran fine until I got rid of it long after the repair.

not sure what the squealing noise is but good luck with it.

I'd have a lot more faith in a remanufactured transmission swap than a dealer repaired transmission. Big difference.

 

[JBSK]

The "there seems to be a number of owners with issue" argument happens every time with every manufacturer when someone has an issue. I'm part of several forums and FB groups that aren't raptor related and I see people saying this all the time whenever they don't have a positive experience. It has nothing to do with it being any more problematic than any other truck, you're just hyper sensitive when you see or read someone having an issue. Not unlike buying a car and suddenly noticing more of them on the road. It's not that everyone followed your lead and purchased the same car, it's that you're more aware of them on the road.



I'd have a lot more faith in a remanufactured transmission swap than a dealer repaired transmission. Big difference.

I can't seem to find where I suggested that overall the Raptor was any more problematic then any other truck. For me personally it sure as heck has been based on the fact that none of my previous trucks have required as many trips to the dealer for major repair work as this one, nor left me broken down on the side of the road. But that's my personal experience. And based on the forum reading I've done it's an experience others have had as well, so I'm actually referring to specific examples when I say there are Raptor owners who have had faulty units. I was specifically referring to owners who have had their Raptor suffer an issue/issues and then purchase another Raptor. I've found plenty of cases where the truck was also lemon-lawed. Again, not an issue exclusive to the Raptor or even Ford.

I do agree with the confirmation bias when it comes to googling, say, Ford transmission problems and then panicking when you see the results and then wrongfully assuming every Ford transmission is junk. Not many people take to the internet just to say everything with their truck is a-ok.

 

[Deleted member 17706]

The "there seems to be a number of owners with issue" argument happens every time with every manufacturer when someone has an issue.

That may be true, but when you talk to Gen 2 owners (on this forum or not), people have had problems with the powertrain. That doesn't mean that everyone has had a problem. But there is evidence of three different model years (17-19) of Raptors having problems with the transmission and/or engine. So concerns for reliability is warranted.

 

[smurfslayer]

That may be true, but when you talk to Gen 2 owners (on this forum or not), people have had problems with the powertrain. That doesn't mean that everyone has had a problem.

It’s not like there are any posts on the first page of the gen 1 engine sub forum dealing with powertrain failures...

But there is evidence of three different model years (17-19) of Raptors having problems with the transmission and/or engine. So concerns for reliability is warranted.

There’s evidence of engine / trans problems on every model. Numerically, how many ? Not how many pile on posts in the threads here, but how many actual, first person accounts, verifiable? A lot less than you're insinuating.

And it’s not like the ’17-’19 are trouble free, they’re not. but the sky ain’t falling.

 

[jabroni619]

That may be true, but when you talk to Gen 2 owners (on this forum or not), people have had problems with the powertrain. That doesn't mean that everyone has had a problem. But there is evidence of three different model years (17-19) of Raptors having problems with the transmission and/or engine. So concerns for reliability is warranted.

When you talk to owners of any gen or any vehicle for they matter you’ll come across ones with powertrain issues. Not sure what your point is.

 

[Deleted member 17706]

It’s not like there are any posts on the first page of the gen 1 engine sub forum dealing with powertrain failures...


There’s evidence of engine / trans problems on every model. Numerically, how many ? Not how many pile on posts in the threads here, but how many actual, first person accounts, verifiable? A lot less than you're insinuating.

And it’s not like the ’17-’19 are trouble free, they’re not. but the sky ain’t falling.

Lol insinuating? I didn't insinuate anything. You just regurgitated what I posited except you were a ****.

I didn't say everyone has had a problem. But if some people have had problems, then it follows that one ought to be concerned about one's own powertrain having similar problems. It is called logic: if A, then B (Modus Ponens). You can't dispute premise A (that some people have had problems with their powertrain), and because you can't dispute it, then it naturally follows that there is warrant to be concerned about the problem. It is not an attack on the Raptor. Just a statement of logic.

@jabroni619 My point is that you are downplaying JDSK's concern. There is a difference between noticing your vehicle on the road because you have the same vehicle, and you being concerned about your vehicle because it has a mechanical problem that you and others have had. Again, if you know a vehicle that you own has a problem, how is one not suppose to be sensitive? If you go to remote places like JDSK said he does to hunt and off-road, then you better be concerned that your vehicle is not going to break down and leave you stranded. And I am not insinuating the Raptor is not a capable truck and that they all break down. I spent 10 days in Baja with 10 Raptors and for the most part, nobody had any problems. But when you hear a noice coming from the underneath of your truck, that you knew was not there prior to your transmission croaking, and the dealership can't replicate the noise, then you can bet your bottom dollar I am going to be concerned about it.

 

[GCATX]

Lol insinuating? I didn't insinuate anything. You just regurgitated what I posited except you were a ****.

I didn't say everyone has had a problem. But if some people have had problems, then it follows that one ought to be concerned about one's own powertrain having similar problems. It is called logic: if A, then B (Modus Ponens). You can't dispute premise A (that some people have had problems with their powertrain), and because you can't dispute it, then it naturally follows that there is warrant to be concerned about the problem. It is not an attack on the Raptor. Just a statement of logic.

@jabroni619 My point is that you are downplaying JDSK's concern. There is a difference between noticing your vehicle on the road because you have the same vehicle, and you being concerned about your vehicle because it has a mechanical problem that you and others have had. Again, if you know a vehicle that you own has a problem, how is one not suppose to be sensitive? If you go to remote places like JDSK said he does to hunt and off-road, then you better be concerned that your vehicle is not going to break down and leave you stranded.

Since you brought it up, how many have posted about having to have a flatbed drag their dead-ass truck out of the woods, or off the side of the road for that matter? Probably similar numbers to any other vehicle out there?

Lighten up.

 

[Deleted member 17706]

Since you brought it up, how many have posted about having to have a flatbed drag their dead-ass truck out of the woods, or off the side of the road for that matter? Probably similar numbers to any other vehicle out there?

Lighten up.

Lol actually the numbers would be far less because most Raptor owners don't go off-road

 

[GCATX]

Lol actually the numbers would be far less because most Raptor owners don't go off-road

True that. 6 months old and 20k miles, off=roaded 1 time.

 

[smurfslayer]

Lol insinuating? I didn't insinuate anything. You just regurgitated what I posited except you were a ****.

I didn't say everyone has had a problem. But if some people have had problems, then it follows that one ought to be concerned about one's own powertrain having similar problems. It is called logic: if A, then B (Modus Ponens). You can't dispute premise A (that some people have had problems with their powertrain), and because you can't dispute it, then it naturally follows that there is warrant to be concerned about the problem. It is not an attack on the Raptor. Just a statement of logic.

@jabroni619 My point is that you are downplaying JDSK's concern. There is a difference between noticing your vehicle on the road because you have the same vehicle, and you being concerned about your vehicle because it has a mechanical problem that you and others have had. Again, if you know a vehicle that you own has a problem, how is one not suppose to be sensitive? If you go to remote places like JDSK said he does to hunt and off-road, then you better be concerned that your vehicle is not going to break down and leave you stranded. And I am not insinuating the Raptor is not a capable truck and that they all break down. I spent 10 days in Baja with 10 Raptors and for the most part, nobody had any problems. But when you hear a noice coming from the underneath of your truck, that you knew was not there prior to your transmission croaking, and the dealership can't replicate the noise, then you can bet your bottom dollar I am going to be concerned about it.

yeah, you did insinuate that there were more problems than there actually are.

But there is evidence of three different model years (17-19) of Raptors having problems with the transmission and/or engine

People see what they want to see. You’re seeing what you want to see and evangelizing what you see to “help” others see what you see.

It’s not that your premise is necessarily faulty, all makes and models have problem units and this one is no exception. My point is that it’s been blown out of proportion and you’re narrowly focusing on only specific years of Raptor.

None of this helps OP.
hopefully he’s back on the road soon and can put all this behind him.