Trade gen 2 for gen 1??

[Deleted member 17706]

The 3.5 will never be as reliable as the 6.2, but that doesn't mean it's a reason to avoid it. It has had some issues for sure, but there are a lot of them on the road if you include non-Raptors and I don't think they will be that much more expensive to fix in the long run. With performance comes complexity, almost without question, and that means reliability can suffer. I'm a big fan of the 6.2, but slap a supercharger on it and you'll have some additional reliability issues to contend with as well.

What reliability concerns are you talking about on a SC Gen 1? JDM has a guy with nearly 200K miles that tows with it across America and is pushing 700 hp. The only thing which may go wrong is the oil pump gears. Outside of that, the powertrain can handle that power all day long with no problems.


I saw this on FB. The only thing that was ever replaced on this NA Gen 1 was one 02 sensor according to the owner.

 

[RS4]

What reliability concerns are you talking about on a SC Gen 1? JDM has a guy with nearly 200K miles that tows with it across America and is pushing 700 hp. The only thing which may go wrong is the oil pump gears. Outside of that, the powertrain can handle that power all day long with no problems.


I saw this on FB. The only thing that was ever replaced on this NA Gen 1 was one 02 sensor according to the owner.

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Is my math wrong but is that 140k in gas? 10 mpg is 35k gallons at 3.99 a gallon

balling

 

[Maxknuckles]

buy my gen 1,

craigslist bay area 60k miles 2010 white scab

 

[Maxknuckles]

I will post it here once i have 50 posts. Gonna take forever though

 

[allinon72]

What reliability concerns are you talking about on a SC Gen 1? JDM has a guy with nearly 200K miles that tows with it across America and is pushing 700 hp. The only thing which may go wrong is the oil pump gears. Outside of that, the powertrain can handle that power all day long with no problems.


I saw this on FB. The only thing that was ever replaced on this NA Gen 1 was one 02 sensor according to the owner.

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I’m not doubting the reliability, my point was when you add performance via power adders, the potential for reliability issues increases. Hence, the 3.5 will never be as reliable as a 6.2.

 

[Truckasaurus]

The 3.5 will never be as reliable as the 6.2, but that doesn't mean it's a reason to avoid it. It has had some issues for sure, but there are a lot of them on the road if you include non-Raptors and I don't think they will be that much more expensive to fix in the long run. With performance comes complexity, almost without question, and that means reliability can suffer. I'm a big fan of the 6.2, but slap a supercharger on it and you'll have some additional reliability issues to contend with as well.

Aside from the oil pump gears, there really is nothing to worry about when supercharging a G1. Plenty of them have gone well into the 100k+ mile range now. It's just a big, tough engine and even at 700+hp it's under less stress than a stock 3.5.

 

[Truckasaurus]

I meant to say

it’s bad ass to peel out and tail hop 37 in tires...rarely do it because of transmission concerns

You should get traction bars or a torque arm. I had to take my traction bars off to get them re-coated a couple years ago. Then I had a guy ride along who wanted to see what the truck could do so I showed him. Not a good idea. I'll just leave it at that.

 

[John Cannon]

I have put 122k on my 2011 since day 1.
I have turned down $35k several times.
The only non warranty repair which occurred within past year are Rear view Camera, and Driver seat heater. Both could happen in any vehicle. During First 15000 miles A bad shock was discovered. I appreciate the technology of the current Raptors. I do feel very at home in this vehicle as my daily driver. I actually am impressed with what I read on the the Rousch package

 

[NASSTY]

Can’t wait till the gen 3 comes out, then we can have the gen 2 is better than gen 3 conversations

Me too....Then I can say Gen2 is better because they don't make them anymore and it's more reliable.

 

[isis]

Just ignore the engine reliability issues, right?

It's not that we just "want a V8"- we want a reliable engine long term. That is *not* a small displacement highly boosted engine slathered with all the BS hoses, piping, oil and coolant lines, etc that goes along with twin turbos. They are great when they are new, but give all that rubber and plastic 10 years and 100K miles of exposure to heat and cold and things changes quick. A big n/a V8 just happens to be the ideal solution. It's not highly stressed, and it's simple.

A n/a V8 will never have a turbo seal failure, or a bad wastegate, or a blow off valve leaking, or leaking IC piping, or a dozen other things that commonly occur on turbo engines. I'm sure Ford techs are more than happy when people buy these highly stressed complex engines. Major job security.

As it was stated earlier in the thread- if you plan to keep it long term get a G1. If you are buying new every 5 years, obviously get the G2. It's really that simple. I would not want to own a G2 long term out of warranty, although I wouldn't be scared of it either. In general, Ford makes quality engines, but you will have issues with the turbo system and all of it's associated hoses and piping- 100% guaranteed.

There are a ton of Ecoboost engines that run a long time. Treat it right, mod it little and do the maintenance. There are hundreds of turbo vehicles on the road running 200k miles reliably. It’s not 1985 anymore.