Trade 2020 Raptor for 2023 Tundra TRD Pro?

[FordTechOne]

The 22 model is new 18 months later in 23 model years, a lot of those bugs have been worked out as you would expect from a new model.

Sounds like you should join the tundra/t-UrD forums. They’re still having plenty of issues, you’re simply lying to yourself and expecting everyone else to believe it.

 

[New recaros]

Isn’t Toyota the company that had to be sued by family members of the deceased and by the NTSB for failing brakes that was killing people? Only then they recalled! Does not seem like a company that cares about their customers to me. Hard pass

 

[BaseModelRaptor]

 

[FordTechOne]

Isn’t Toyota the company that had to be sued by family members of the deceased and by the NTSB for failing brakes that was killing people? Only then they recalled! Does not seem like a company that cares about their customers to me. Hard pass

And after they paid the 1 billion dollar fine for covering up the issue, their final statement was that they “admitted no wrong doing”

Which is the same thing they said after they lost the $3.4 Billion frame rust lawsuit. Then they tried to throw an American supplier (Dana) under the bus, claiming they didn’t coat the frames properly. No, Toyota just spec’d inferior steel. Hence why 4Runners are suffering the same fate, yet are built in Japan by a completely different supplier.

 

[jamanrr]

Ford gets sued too, all makers have their issues. I hated the previous Gen Tundras and always liked the 4 runners and Tacos since that is what made them famous. The OP expressed a consideration of going to the Tundra. I went to one and so far so good but that doesn't mean I could not have trouble in the future. The sliding back glass the goes all the way down in the rear, to the digital front camera and rear view mirror. I could see why the OP was considering it. They decided to keep it but I did not as I liked the Truck enough to give it a try.

I never said I would not come back to the Raptor. I have owned two of them. I am interested in seeing if they do some powerboost variation in the furture Gen 4 Raptor.

 

[downforce137]

Yeah well, you just explained your stance in that one. The F150 is a good truck but your facts about the Tundra are misguided and wrong. Whatever, I turned down a MSRP Gen 3 deal to get into the Tundra so I wouldn't call it a rash decision.

as far as the rest, do unskilled labor workers deserve 25 bucks an hour? Guess in your world they do but the UAW through all its corruption scandals has done nothing but basically shut down factories and force jobs to go to as you said Mexico. At least Toyota's plant has incentives and bonuses for quality control and metrics. I have less noise and plastic in my Truck than the new F150, the only thing it doesn't have is the Powerboost which is a great option. I said Ford is the best in class and deserving of their rating but the Tundra's tech and sound systems are light years ahead of Ford. Hence why the OP discussed being impressed by them. The new 3rd gen Tundra is impressive. I love mine and having a lot better resell value is important to me as well. I don't have 40-50k to loose through 5 years of Raptor ownership.

did you really just say better resale value in this thread comparing tundras to raptors?? you did dint you... keep drinking the sake bro..

 

[jamanrr]

Do you even own a Raptor, have you ever owned one? Did you have a Gen 1 or a Gen 2 - How many Raptors have you owned or do you own?

thanks

 

[downforce137]

I had a gen1 that i bought with 70K, and sold with 140K and lost $5k...

i currently have a Gen2 bought with 9k and currently 59k with no plans on ever getting rid of it. i dont care to have the latest and greatest big ass screens in the dash, but the bigger issue is I have no interest in a supercrew... so yes, i have owned and currently own raptors..

 

[DFS]

I have no regrets going from my gen2 Raptor to a hybrid Limited TRD offroad, almost 600 foot pounds of torque and it is quicker off the line than a Raptor. It's tech is light years beyond the gen 3 raptor, front cameras, rear side cameras all angles and a huge tablet screen. Not to mention the digital rear view mirror. An actual locking fuel door with a gas cap. What a novel idea? A 4x4 almost full size truck getting 19-22 mpgs doesn't exactly suck. Granted I didn't get the pro but I didn't like the pro and you can get certain models and build the Tundra like you want. The JBL system is 10 times better then the best Sony systems, which were better than the B&O junk Ford has been using for years. These are the things it does well.

However, it is NOT a balls to the wall hard core Baja offroad truck like the Raptor. Raptors are tough and built strong as has been said best of the best and best in class. Ford F150s have roughly 55 percent domestic content while the Tundra has 65 percent and are made in Texas. It is more of an American truck than Mexican produced rams or GMs which source a lot of their parts from China. You made the best decision for you but I can see why it would appeal to you. Toyota offers a more positive ownership experience compared to ford as well.

And best yet your not supporting the UAW which I imagine would make most of you all upset since they helped get the current administration into office.

I'm calling BS on the sound system. Very well documented that the JBL system is underwhelming dog shit and lacking power + clarity for any trim of Tundra. Tech being "light years" ahead is also BS unless you think having zero customization options of entertainment/infotainment is progressive, same can be said for remote start functionality. Power is fine, screen is great (unless yours has dust behind it like mine did from Panasonic) replacement lead to CEL's, but fit and finish is embarrassingly bad. I hope you got a '23 MY and not a '22 or you will have quite a few issues that will need be address, such as infotainment black outs, bed bolts loose, window seals need to be redone, back window rattles like crazy, i-Force Max battery becomes disabled. Also many of the engines are now being hydrolocked because of the design and placement of the intake system, so that would be a fun problem for a TRD off road or TRD Pro

And I owned the '22 Capstone, coming from '22 Powerboost Platinum and a '21 37PP Raptor for truck references. Now in a '23 Raptor because I couldn't get rid of the Capstone fast enough.

 

[jamanrr]

I'm calling BS on the sound system. Very well documented that the JBL system is underwhelming dog shit and lacking power + clarity for any trim of Tundra. Tech being "light years" ahead is also BS unless you think having zero customization options of entertainment/infotainment is progressive, same can be said for remote start functionality. Power is fine, screen is great (unless yours has dust behind it like mine did from Panasonic) replacement lead to CEL's, but fit and finish is embarrassingly bad. I hope you got a '23 MY and not a '22 or you will have quite a few issues that will need be address, such as infotainment black outs, bed bolts loose, window seals need to be redone, back window rattles like crazy, i-Force Max battery becomes disabled.

Yes, I have a 23 and so far I have not had any of those issues. I tend to wait 18-24 months from the time a new vehicle is introduced before adoption. Yes, I do see what you are saying about issues upon launch.

My wife's ride is still an Explorer Timberline so we are not out of the Ford family overall. I like the JBL system and think base Ford systems sound better than their upgraded B&O packaged vehicles regardless of model. I like the OP was taken in by the tech offerings of the new Tundra. The modes and TRD settings are a nice touch as well. I don't miss the 130 dollar plus fill ups because I only ran premium, the decreased Taxes/ Insurance makes a difference as well. My wife's Explorer is more to insure than the Tundra which makes me think the risk modeling is higher on Ford's since there are more on the road.