Toyota recalling Tundras for Slip Yoke Issues

[HoustonRider]

(not sure where this goes)

Looks like Toyota is having Slip Yoke issues now, but Toyota issued a recall for the 2011 models...

Toyota recalling about 51,000 Tundra trucks - San Antonio Express-News

 

[BIRDMAN]

at least the Raptor only clunks. who was it ******* Toyota's leg last week?

 

[Droid]

at least the Raptor only clunks. who was it ******* Toyota's leg last week?

Can't really fault them for a minor issue like that. Everyone ***** up.

Now covering up a software engineering problem as a minor mechanical issue (unintended acceleration), that I can fault them for. Can't be 100% certain it happened, but as a developer I have a serious "hunch" from the symptoms.

 

[ISFast]

Can't really fault them for a minor issue like that. Everyone ***** up.

Now covering up a software engineering problem as a minor mechanical issue (unintended acceleration), that I can fault them for. Can't be 100% certain it happened, but as a developer I have a serious "hunch" from the symptoms.

Only thing i have to say about that is that the people having this problem couldn't figure out which pedal did what! The update they put out was that if you pressed on both the gas and brake at the same time the brake would over ride the gas after a few seconds. I know this due to they wanted to update my Lexus ISF with this... or opt out and not hold them responsible. As you can tell I had them pass on the update and told them leave the pedal alone!

I've had a toyota and a Lexus product and can say for 100% sure loved both of them.

Its funny how the american car companies have recalls and issues with their products but the news seems to pick on toyota/lexus and only show their screw ups. Just think the media is very bias about this. Probably because the government needs to get its money back after helping out Government Motors haha

 

[Droid]

Only thing i have to say about that is that the people having this problem couldn't figure out which pedal did what! The update they put out was that if you pressed on both the gas and brake at the same time the brake would over ride the gas after a few seconds. I know this due to they wanted to update my Lexus ISF with this... or opt out and not hold them responsible. As you can tell I had them pass on the update and told them leave the pedal alone!

I've had a toyota and a Lexus product and can say for 100% sure loved both of them.

Its funny how the american car companies have recalls and issues with their products but the news seems to pick on toyota/lexus and only show their screw ups. Just think the media is very bias about this. Probably because the government needs to get its money back after helping out Government Motors haha

I don't think it was a pedal issue. Was either inadequate EMF protection or an error / "race condition" (no pun intended) in the code. Some of the statements the company publicly made regarding how it simply "could not" be software conveyed a lack of understanding of how software works. It's no different than someone saying "this web application server is 100% unhackable". Or for the less technically inclined, selling an "unbreakable comb". I could certainly be wrong on this, but the problem stank of software.

Until the unintended acceleration issue, Toyota was largely treated as a "golden child" by the media. They could do no wrong. GMs and Fords were regarded as American garbage, and Toyota was a symbol of impeccable quality, no matter how many cost-cutting measures Toyota employed nor how much better GM and Ford products were becoming.

 

[CineSLR]

Thats because Toyotas used to actually make a product that was superior. Lower production numbers, built in Japan with higher prices. Then they decided they wanted to be the largest automaker in the US and became just another of the big three. Even their designs mimmic the american car companies now. I don't get it...

 

[CineSLR]

Can't really fault them for a minor issue like that. Everyone ***** up.

How is a software problem more minor than a constantly clunking slip yoke?? A software problem is fixed in 5-15min. A driveshaft thats obviously at the wrong angle causing binding is a much bigger problem IMHO. Rule #1, never trust the media. They almost drove Audi out of the US because stupid americans were driving through their garages and blamed the gas pedal for being too big and the brake pedal too small.

 

[Madcowranch]

Thats because Toyotas used to actually make a product that was superior. Lower production numbers, built in Japan with higher prices. Then they decided they wanted to be the largest automaker in the US and became just another of the big three. Even their designs mimmic the american car companies now. I don't get it...

X2.

 

[SOCOMech]

Until the unintended acceleration issue, Toyota was largely treated as a "golden child" by the media. They could do no wrong. GMs and Fords were regarded as American garbage, and Toyota was a symbol of impeccable quality, no matter how many cost-cutting measures Toyota employed nor how much better GM and Ford products were becoming.

^^^This^^^

The media has a huge roll to play in the success or downfalls of a company. They've always loved to take any little thing from Ford and portray it like it's the end of the world for them, including taking a recall that's been out for sometime and making it seem like there's a brand new one when it's just an update.

 

[Droid]

How is a software problem more minor than a constantly clunking slip yoke?? A software problem is fixed in 5-15min. A driveshaft thats obviously at the wrong angle causing binding is a much bigger problem IMHO. Rule #1, never trust the media. They almost drove Audi out of the US because stupid americans were driving through their garages and blamed the gas pedal for being too big and the brake pedal too small.

If it's in their code, and if the problem is fundamental to their software development process, it will take more effort to correct than any possible mechanical part ever could (i.e., multiple years if they're proactive about it, forever if not).

Even if it's not fundamental, a problem like this can take an non-definable amount of time to correct. Once you know where it is, the solution is trivial. Finding it is not. Debugging is one of the hardest things in software development, and is responsible for those unexpected week, month, or year delays in product releases that even the largest software companies cannot seem to eliminate.