Rumor: The Ford F-150 Raptor Is Getting the Mustang GT500's Supercharged V-8

[jabroni619]

Just got off the phone with my buddy who is a Ford engineer. They are working on cars years ahead of what is out now. He said they like Turbos and don't hold your breath it was looked at but not going to happen as of now. I asked him as I would of not modded my current Raptor and waited to trade in but he said mod away basically.

This is every bit as credible as someone saying they talked to their buddy who's a ford engineer and he said the V8 is most certainly coming. In fact, we had quite a few of those that said a V8 raptor would be here right around... Now actually.

Tons of people around here seem to have a Ford engineer friend who happens to validate their own opinion on what's coming. Very strange phenomenon in these here forums.

 

[Truckzor]

Engines have come a long way in the last couple decades. You'd be hard pressed to find "smoother" engines than the Lexus 3.5 V6. Better sounding, sure. Smoother? Not likely.

I think what you mean is that Lexus has invested a ton of time and money into NVH R&D to isolate the driver.

The V6 is an inherently unbalanced engine.

 

[EricM]

Engines have come a long way in the last couple decades. You'd be hard pressed to find "smoother" engines than the Lexus 3.5 V6. Better sounding, sure. Smoother? Not likely. Maybe if you double the cylinder count you may notice a marginal difference in smoothness, but when you're paying a quarter million dollars for a car, you're also paying for that margin. That doesn't apply to the vehicles we are discussing here, so those other advantages are moot.

Heck even I4's have come a long way. My work vehicle is a 2016 Ford Escape with the 2.0 EB and when I first drove it I was shocked it was an I4 under the hood. The last time I had owned an I4 was when I got my moms 1990 Pontiac Grand Am hand me down.

I would NOT be hard pressed to find an engine smoother than ANY V6. You don't have to double the cylinder count, you only need to add 2. Every V8 is smoother running than every V6, I6 and I4. It's inherent in the design. Lexus cannot change physics.

All the manufacturers are doing nowadays is putting huge bushings and isolated engine sub-frames to hide it. For example, the 2005 Ford 500 got an isolated engine cradle with the same old Vulcan 3.0L engine as the 04 model, and it was MUCH smoother inside the car than the older 04 model was. Same harsh engine vibes, it was just concealed better. Those huge bushing eventually fail from the punishment though, and need to be replaced. You don't need those huge bushings with a V8.

I can hear when a 4 cylinder car or 6 cylinder car pulls into my driveway simply from the low frequency rumble they all have. I4s are the worst, then V6s. These are stock sedans, pulling up engine first to the house. V8s? Nope. Unless it has a loud exhaust, I hear nothing inside the house.

 

[jabroni619]

I think what you mean is that Lexus has invested a ton of time and money into NVH R&D to isolate the driver.

The V6 is an inherently unbalanced engine.

I didn’t say anything about inharent. Tech advances, manufacturing advances. Fact of the matter is “smooth” can be done without buying a quarter million dollar car

 

[jabroni619]

I would NOT be hard pressed to find an engine smoother than ANY V6. You don't have to double the cylinder count, you only need to add 2. Every V8 is smoother running than every V6, I6 and I4. It's inherent in the design. Lexus cannot change physics.

All the manufacturers are doing nowadays is putting huge bushings and isolated engine sub-frames to hide it. For example, the 2005 Ford 500 got an isolated engine cradle with the same old Vulcan 3.0L engine as the 04 model, and it was MUCH smoother inside the car than the older 04 model was. Same harsh engine vibes, it was just concealed better. Those huge bushing eventually fail from the punishment though, and need to be replaced. You don't need those huge bushings with a V8.

I can hear when a 4 cylinder car or 6 cylinder car pulls into my driveway simply from the low frequency rumble they all have. I4s are the worst, then V6s. These are stock sedans, pulling up engine first to the house. V8s? Nope. Unless it has a loud exhaust, I hear nothing inside the house.

Nope, every V8 isn’t smoother than every V6. Your V8 isn’t smoother than the V6 Lexus I owned. Sorry it just isn’t.

Sound is a different metric. I won’t argue a V6 sounds as good because I don’t think they do either.

 

[EricM]

Nope, every V8 isn’t smoother than every V6. Your V8 isn’t smoother than the V6 Lexus I owned. Sorry it just isn’t.

Sound is a different metric. I won’t argue a V6 sounds as good because I don’t think they do either.

Actually, it is. By far.

 

[Truckzor]

I didn’t say anything about inharent. Tech advances, manufacturing advances. Fact of the matter is “smooth” can be done without buying a quarter million dollar car

Tech advances. Manufacturing advances. But physics doesn't change.

 

[MikeEby]

You might have to take into consideration drive line durability with the GT500s power and RPM limits. A Youtuber blew his transfer case with 850HP Whipple Coyote RCSB, with what could have been a very bad result. He handled the situation well and made a great recovery with very little damage.

Granted current GEN2 3.5 EB transfer case is a different part number then his, because it has 4A, still questionable how much power the clutches it can handle in 4A with hard launches. Will Ford go to the trouble make Raptors drive line more durable also?

I'm going to installing the Raptor TC in my Whippled RCSB just because I'm after 4A. I'm hoping too it will be perhaps more durable than the stock 5.0 unit.

 

[jaz13]

So a spy video shows up of the TRX, then two days later there's a "leak" about a V8 Raptor to a highly credible publication...? What a coincidence!

This was leaked intentionally IMO.

Leaking new products months and years away from production is a horribly stupid idea because it convinces people who were about to buy your product to wait for the next one. There is no way Ford did this on purpose.

 

[jabroni619]

Tech advances. Manufacturing advances. But physics doesn't change.

Physics doesn’t but advancing tech allows you to understand what is actually possible under the laws of physics and push things close to the physical limits.

If a balance shaft can counter the inharent unbalanced nature of a V6 well it’s essentially a non issue at that point.