Real Raptor Specs? (Price, HP/TQ, ect)

[Raptor911]

The truck is an allocated truck so you can't order one unless the dealer has an allocation. But don't take my word for it. Everyone will find out on 7/18 when order banks open up.

If you want to buy off the lot this applies. If you order one you will get one.

 

[Sitdown]

We have a good thread on ordering process etc, but found this recently for anyone else in the semi-clueless boat with me. Much is repeat info, but some points i had not seen clarified.

The Ford ordering process explained from start to finish

 

[Craigy]

The truck is an allocated truck so you can't order one unless the dealer has an allocation. But don't take my word for it. Everyone will find out on 7/18 when order banks open up.

All vehicles are subject to allocation, even base F150s.

Obviously early on it will be more difficult to come by, but later on there should be enough production to fill all orders.

 

[taco-13]

I called Fords corporate office. Dealer allocations have nothing to do with special orders. Each dealer is allocated a certain number of trucks and they will order them how they want. Those trucks will show up before our special order trucks no matter what. Sometimes 6 weeks before any special order trucks. Any special ordered trucks will take about 12 weeks to get. They did not have any official order date, just in the fall. They also could not confirm the donlen.com website dates because it is not a Ford resource. Again this information is from Fords corporate office.

 

[SilverBolt]

The truck is an allocated truck so you can't order one unless the dealer has an allocation. But don't take my word for it. Everyone will find out on 7/18 when order banks open up.

Initially the will be a big rush and backlog. You will be able to order but the lead time will be long. Going into 2017 as Ford catches up lead times will come down. In 2011 when I bought mine it was the first SVT vehicle my dealer ordered and sold. They had no allocations, none. Placed the order and 12 weeks later had my Raptor. Back in 2000ish I wanted a Lightning. Dealer had no allocations but ordered me one. 12 weeks later I took it home. Allocations has to do with dealer inventory and nothing to do with special orders of any vehicles. Why would the limit their sales?

 

[Craigy]

There's a big confusion on what exactly "allocation" means.

To performance car guys, allocation means a dealer is only getting X number of vehicles, period. E.g. "We have two allocations for 2016" or "We didn't get an allocation."

However in Ford speak (and others) allocations simply refer to how product is allocated in a shortage. Otherwise some dealers would hoard thousands of vehicles while others face empty lots.

In this case it isn't some limited-run vehicle where they are divvying up which dealers get how many. Allocations simply allocate priority. A tiny dealer who submits dozens of Raptor orders can't expect them all to be filled immediately, but they'll all get filled.

 

[Wolfeman]

My dealer has told me that he has 2 Raptors allocated to him and if I want one, it is mine. I want to see what the price will be before I commit to the deal but other than that, I am ready. I have purchased all of my Ford products previously using X-plan but this won't be available for this vehicle. He did tell me that he was one of the only dealers in the state that he knew of that sold their GT350 for less than MSRP.

 

[RaptorCoastie]

Craigy is correct about the "allocation" process. The term is sometimes thrown around loosely, and it's meaning gets construed.

Dealers who perform well with a certain vehicle (Raptor, in this case) are given "allocations" from Ford. This means they are granted the ability to order and receive a vehicle configured by them to their specs, based upon what they want/what they think will look and sell best on their lot. One dealer may receive 2 allocations, while another 15. This is mostly dependent on your volume from previous model years. In the Raptors case, it's 70% dependent on previous Raptor sales, and 30% dependent on the sales share of F150 nationwide (Region A shall receive x% of F150s produced, while Region B shall receive x%).

So, if it's safe to assume, if your dealer (at this point) is offering you a Raptor and talking specifics with you such as date, ect, then they are confident they are receiving an allocation. Maybe they received 8 in 2014 and sure that they will receive at least that many this time around. But from what I've seen, allocated models tend to be the loaded models that are charged a premium and look good sitting out on the lot. Catching the eye of the passer-by, drawing them into the dealer. Said dealer then makes the sale and gets a premium profit due to the premium price.

As we all know, the cheaper alternative is the ordering process, though it takes longer than walking onto the lot, it allows you to buy close to invoice pricing. And if the dealer plays ball, then this is the cheapest route for the Raptor since the alphabet plans and discounts are excluded. Customer ordered Raptors HAVE NO EFFECT ON ALLOCATION NUMBERS. The dealership will receive their allocations as produced (Allocations take precedence over customer ordered vehicles, parts/options depending), and your ordered vehicle will fit onto the assembly line as soon as Ford can make it happen. Again, a good time frame is 12 weeks after order placed with dealer. You will receive updates from your dealer as the process progresses. And there is of course a payment required upfront (5K, which goes towards your vehicle), in the event you back out of the sale prior to completion, and ordered an oddly outfitted vehicle they may have trouble selling.

What dealers also do is promise to save an allocation spot for a customer, order their vehicle to spec (much like the ordering process regularly), but then charge the premium price (5-10K over MSRP) for being one of the first vehicles out. Guarantees a dealer has a buyer for one of their allocated vehicles, gets money in up front, and they still make the premium profit. ****** for customer, but it's the dealers way to make money. Wouldn't recommend this route.

But there's been some good information said in this thread. We at least know now that the order banks will open sometime around 7/18. With specs and info to come before then. Still looking like November/December for ordered vehicles, since allocations are bound to hit lots in September/October, and ordered vehicles to follow. So they don't seem too behind. I myself plan to wait until around August/September and put my order in with a dealer willing to not charge more than $1,000 over invoice, then wait my 12 weeks and walk away happy with my Raptor once delivered. Should be exciting!

 

[kevin85]

Craigy is correct about the "allocation" process. The term is sometimes thrown around loosely, and it's meaning gets construed.

Dealers who perform well with a certain vehicle (Raptor, in this case) are given "allocations" from Ford. This means they are granted the ability to order and receive a vehicle configured by them to their specs, based upon what they want/what they think will look and sell best on their lot. One dealer may receive 2 allocations, while another 15. This is mostly dependent on your volume from previous model years. In the Raptors case, it's 70% dependent on previous Raptor sales, and 30% dependent on the sales share of F150 nationwide (Region A shall receive x% of F150s produced, while Region B shall receive x%).

So, if it's safe to assume, if your dealer (at this point) is offering you a Raptor and talking specifics with you such as date, ect, then they are confident they are receiving an allocation. Maybe they received 8 in 2014 and sure that they will receive at least that many this time around. But from what I've seen, allocated models tend to be the loaded models that are charged a premium and look good sitting out on the lot. Catching the eye of the passer-by, drawing them into the dealer. Said dealer then makes the sale and gets a premium profit due to the premium price.

As we all know, the cheaper alternative is the ordering process, though it takes longer than walking onto the lot, it allows you to buy close to invoice pricing. And if the dealer plays ball, then this is the cheapest route for the Raptor since the alphabet plans and discounts are excluded. Customer ordered Raptors HAVE NO EFFECT ON ALLOCATION NUMBERS. The dealership will receive their allocations as produced (Allocations take precedence over customer ordered vehicles, parts/options depending), and your ordered vehicle will fit onto the assembly line as soon as Ford can make it happen. Again, a good time frame is 12 weeks after order placed with dealer. You will receive updates from your dealer as the process progresses. And there is of course a payment required upfront (5K, which goes towards your vehicle), in the event you back out of the sale prior to completion, and ordered an oddly outfitted vehicle they may have trouble selling.

What dealers also do is promise to save an allocation spot for a customer, order their vehicle to spec (much like the ordering process regularly), but then charge the premium price (5-10K over MSRP) for being one of the first vehicles out. Guarantees a dealer has a buyer for one of their allocated vehicles, gets money in up front, and they still make the premium profit. ****** for customer, but it's the dealers way to make money. Wouldn't recommend this route.

But there's been some good information said in this thread. We at least know now that the order banks will open sometime around 7/18. With specs and info to come before then. Still looking like November/December for ordered vehicles, since allocations are bound to hit lots in September/October, and ordered vehicles to follow. So they don't seem too behind. I myself plan to wait until around August/September and put my order in with a dealer willing to not charge more than $1,000 over invoice, then wait my 12 weeks and walk away happy with my Raptor once delivered. Should be exciting!

What do you do when you have a trade in? Do you negotiate the trade in for your truck before you place the order or when you pick up the new truck. What if they try to screw you on the trade in when picking up the new ordered truck.

 

[Deleted member 12951]

What do you do when you have a trade in? Do you negotiate the trade in for your truck before you place the order or when you pick up the new truck. What if they try to screw you on the trade in when picking up the new ordered truck.

I ordered my 14' in Nov 13' with a trade-in on the deal. They gave me an estimate of what they would give me based on anticipated mileage and same condition. It took 5 months for the raptor arrived and I was far less in mileage on the trade-in then what we decided initially.

I too was very concerned that I would arrive to do the entire deal and get screwed on the trade in when I got there. They never wanted to see the truck beforehand (it was out of state) even though I offered multiple times to drive there to show it to them. During my wait I found another dealer that gave me more and wanted to do a pass through deal when I traded it. That went over like shit but they ended up telling me that they would give me $700 more than before but was still $800 less than the other guy.

In the end, once they saw my truck, they gave me exactly what we agreed upon and it was a smooth transaction. My truck was so clean that they stuck a Sale sign in the window and drove it right to the front of their used lot, for $4k more than what they gave me. Yes right in front of me, it was that clean.