raptor vs. new tundra trd pro

[jondle]

This thread has gone a little off the rails, but back to the OPs question I have a little real world, 2nd hand experience.

I have a good friend that I regularly off-road with that has a 2016'ish Tundra that I've watched him build over the years, culminating in a >$30k+ Camburg long travel kit. Over the years he has had constant issues with parts breaking or bending. Everything from clips that hold wires safely out of the way to control arms and the bed completely collapsing. He also complains about how loud it is in the cab because everything has rattled loose and the entire dash shakes while off-road.

He rode in my mostly stock 2011 Raptor and complimented how much better the cabin was put together. Not necessarily the aesthetics, it just didn't rattle and shake near as bad on my truck with way more off-road miles. Plus, I just haven't had anywhere near the same volume of minor maintenance issues come up to keep it off-road worthy.

He recently bought a 2014 Raptor and he will tell you how much better it is. It isn't just the suspension, it is the platform as a whole. It now has a long travel kit and is sprung under, so he is in about the same money as the Tundra and it has widened the gap into a canyon.

In summary, if you want to off-road, buy a vehicle built as a complete package for off-road. If you want to drive on the street and occasional dirt road, it makes no difference and the question doesn't matter, buy whatever looks good to you and f*** everyone else.

 

[Jakenbake]

This thread has gone a little off the rails, but back to the OPs question I have a little real world, 2nd hand experience.

I have a good friend that I regularly off-road with that has a 2016'ish Tundra that I've watched him build over the years, culminating in a >$30k+ Camburg long travel kit. Over the years he has had constant issues with parts breaking or bending. Everything from clips that hold wires safely out of the way to control arms and the bed completely collapsing. He also complains about how loud it is in the cab because everything has rattled loose and the entire dash shakes while off-road.

He rode in my mostly stock 2011 Raptor and complimented how much better the cabin was put together. Not necessarily the aesthetics, it just didn't rattle and shake near as bad on my truck with way more off-road miles. Plus, I just haven't had anywhere near the same volume of minor maintenance issues come up to keep it off-road worthy.

He recently bought a 2014 Raptor and he will tell you how much better it is. It isn't just the suspension, it is the platform as a whole. It now has a long travel kit and is sprung under, so he is in about the same money as the Tundra and it has widened the gap into a canyon.

In summary, if you want to off-road, buy a vehicle built as a complete package for off-road. If you want to drive on the street and occasional dirt road, it makes not difference and the question doesn't matter, buy whatever looks good to you and f*** everyone else.

Just curious as to whose long travel did you friend go with?

 

[Yoshi]

2022 1794 and platinum are 62k base. The 2021 1794, platinum and trd pro base were all within 1k difference between them. The 2022 trd pro will be more due to having the hybrid IMAX automatically in them. It will be closer to 65k guarantee it.

70k optioned for non hybrid 1794, so figure 75k for hybrid 1794.

 

[BaseRaptor]

I’ll be the first to admit the ‘22 Tundra Pro and Raptor aren’t even in the same class. The V6 Raptor competes with the V8 TRX. The Tundra Pro competes with the Ford Tremor and Chevy Trail Boss.

 

[FordTechOne]

I’ll be the first to admit the Tundra and Raptor aren’t even in the same class. The V6 Raptor competes with the V8 TRX. The Tundra competes with the Ford Tremor and Chevy Trail Boss.

And that's on paper, still remains to be seen. Some things I noted about the TRD Pro press release that some folks considering the new Tundra may not realize:

- No matter how much you spend on any Tundra, including the Pro, you cannot get full time 4WD. Meaning you get 4x4 high and 4x4 low, no Auto option. When you're spending $65K+, that is inexcusable.

- The Hybrid uses a Nickel-Metal Hydride (Ni-MH) battery. That's 25+ year old battery technology, which has no place in even the cheapest new vehicle, never mind one that costs what the new Tundra does. It's straight out of the 1997 Prius. Ni-MH is inferior to Lithium-Ion in every way, including battery life, performance, and degradation. And battery technology still has a long way to go from Li-ion; Ni-MH has been dead tech for a long time.

- The Tundra hybrid does not offer an On-Board generator. It has an inverter with a maximum of 400W, which is what a standard F-150 has offered for years. You aren't powering more than a latte machine with that, and while that might satisfy the typical toyota buyer, it is not competitive in the least.

 

[Muchmore]

- No matter how much you spend on any Tundra, including the Pro, you cannot get full time 4WD. Meaning you get 4x4 high and 4x4 low, no Auto option. When you're spending $65K+, that is inexcusable.

- The Tundra hybrid does not offer an On-Board generator. It has an inverter with a maximum of 400W, which is what a standard F-150 has offered for years. You aren't powering more than a latte machine with that, and while that might satisfy the typical toyota buyer, it is not competitive in the least.

My only disagreements are.....if I could get away from IWE's I might go back to 3 sticks on the floor and manual lockers

As for the generators, Latte machines are TOTALLY out of the question on 400watts. Think much smaller like, adult toys, something with TRD in the name. Maybe...Sasquatch style.....

 

[gkrane]

I actually planned to pre order the TRD Pro for the last year. After the specs came out with the price increase, no front tow hooks, and downgraded seats to synthetic leather I just paid a bit more and ordered a 22 Raptor instead. I'm much more excited about getting behind the wheel of the Raptor than I ever was about the Pro.

 

[gkrane]

I think the confusing thing is that you can have a limited or 1974 tundra model with the trd pro package. Those models will not be cheap. But the actual trd pro model with the trd pro package, even with the hybrid engine I think base will be low to mid $50's. If the 2021 trd pro model starts at $49k, the 2022 with the hybrid engine will add what, $5k or so to base model pricing? That is around $54-55k. But with inflation and the way things are right now maybe it will be closer to $60k than what I am thinking. If that is the case then I think it is a no brainer between a $60k base tundra and a $65k base raptor....even if you are getting 20+ mpg with the hybrid tundra.

Nope those models can get the TRD Offroad package which includes the Bilstien shocks not the Fox ones.

 

[KevoUsmc]

I was fully intent on buying the new Tundra. I love the rear window rolling down entirely. The reliability is far better and Tacomas are well known off-roaders. So Toyota has some cred for off-roading.

With that said, the pricing being rumored to be 70k+ for a well equipped TRD Pro was so close to Raptor pricing... it didn't make sense. So I ordered a Raptor. Far better resale value, and IMO there is no better looking truck. Just wish I had better colors to choose from.

I don't know about off-road "cred" it just seems like there a cult following with dudes buying tiny trucks and spending a fortune to get them to real off road capability. There's a huge after market scene for those trucks for a reason. I have a buddy who actually owns a Tacoma and I swear he's buying new parts every week.

 

[sammy134]

The U.S. manufacturers built the best pickups on the market and always have. The fact that anyone would send their money to japan for an inferior product is just ignorant. Once again, you can’t compare the T uRD pRo to the Raptor, it’s a Tremor competitor. In which case it does not get better fuel economy.

You said it the best my friend.

I watched the savagegeese review of it on youtube. The TRD team is 12 engineers from the US team that does monthly trips to Japan for their R&D meetings. A USA truck has to be designed in USA and made in USA.

The Japanese team have the US team by a leash, and its only 12 of them. What a joke. You think 12 people doing monthly trips is going to make a USA truck good. Not even a chance.


Its kind of disrespectful to yourself to be driving a toyota truck. In USA, you drive Ford, GM, or FCA trucks not some poser brands trying to make money out of you.