Prediction: Raptor R ends up casualty of Ukraine/Russia war…

[Grayson]

So when gas goes up I can purchase a Raptor R for under MSRP!

I would guess less than 15% of the consumers would daily drive a R model. A good chunk of those sold will store them and drive them only after checking the weather every 10 miles.

 

[Dr Racecraft]

Here’s my .02, this is ******* dumb

 

[tooloud10]

I would guess less than 15% of the consumers would daily drive a R model. A good chunk of those sold will store them and drive them only after checking the weather every 10 miles.

Certainly a lot of Raptor Rs will be purchased by people with a lot of cars and it won't be a primary vehicle, but I don't see 85%+ of them being stored for use as Sunday drivers, either.

I have six cars and still managed to put 10k miles on the Raptor last year. Is there a big difference between DDing an $80k Raptor and DDing a $95k Raptor R?

 

[BalorGrayJax]

Certainly a lot of Raptor Rs will be purchased by people with a lot of cars and it won't be a primary vehicle, but I don't see 85%+ of them being stored for use as Sunday drivers, either.

I have six cars and still managed to put 10k miles on the Raptor last year. Is there a big difference between DDing an $80k Raptor and DDing a $95k Raptor R?View attachment 344578

No, but I don't believe for one second that the Raptor R will be $95k. I believe many here are underestimating the FoMoCo halo. We already witnessed a $10k msrp increase to gen3 followed by now a $3k increase to base gen3 my22. The Raptor R will likely start at $99k before destination bringing its final msrp to just north of $100k with no additional options. I'm guessing a well optioned R will total above $115k before ADM and this indeed puts it out of the range of most of the general Raptor crew.

Obviously all speculation and the above is my conservative guess.. part of me thinks it will top $120k.. I would love to be wrong, but I think beyond the engine you will also get additional tech features such as the large Mach E/Lightning screen, blue cruise, more luxury features and a robust all new suspension system. I don't think the R is going to be a fully loaded 37PP with a V8... I think if Ford is going to do an R they are going to make sure Ram has something to think about on their next attempt.

 

[MRV99]

I can spend 120k on a truck yet cannot afford 2k more on gas……. Not many are financing a Raptor R for 8 4 months to make it possible

 

[Grayson]

Certainly a lot of Raptor Rs will be purchased by people with a lot of cars and it won't be a primary vehicle, but I don't see 85%+ of them being stored for use as Sunday drivers, either.

I have six cars and still managed to put 10k miles on the Raptor last year. Is there a big difference between DDing an $80k Raptor and DDing a $95k Raptor R?View attachment 344578

When a "special" vehicle is released then by most accounts people don't daily drive them. Either for practicality or fear of it being damaged; the delta between the cost of a regular Raptor and "R" doesn't really apply. Based on the GT500's fuel consumption in a track environment if an individual uses the "R" for its intended purpose then the whole bed of the truck needs to be filled with fuel cans.

 

[Grayson]

I can spend 120k on a truck yet cannot afford 2k more on gas……. Not many are financing a Raptor R for 8 4 months to make it possible

You would be surprised at how many people finance any car at 84 months. The average price of a new vehicle between 2018 at around $36,000+ to 2022 at $47,000+ is a steep increase to families with a limited income and sure they can buy used right now but that saves them almost nothing. Will some people stretch a budget to afford a Raptor or "R"? Absolutely. In my circumstances anything that isn't a business related expense or practical personal vehicle with low or zero interest is a play toy that I want to pay for. There are a lot more vehicles out there for what I assume an "R" will cost that would serve as a better play toy since I already have a regular Raptor on the way. Maybe something like a Prius TRD with smugness mod. 0-60 in 6.2 seconds

I like cash flow so if Ford is going to give me 0% for 72 months, I will take it because its free money. I did this on my wife's 2020 Explorer ST; I typically urge her to look every 2 years or so because of changes in the model, life changes (child #2 on the way) or because the vehicle hasn't had very good luck.

 

[GordoJay]

You would be surprised at how many people finance any car at 84 months.

I am so grateful to my father. He taught us very early on about money, interest, and leverage. No allowance, ever. But we got paid for working if it was above and beyond our normal household chores. All of his children are quite well off, even those not following lucrative careers. He wasn't against borrowing, quite the contrary, but he would always say "Leverage works both ways." and the idea of borrowing to finance a depreciating asset never crossed his mind. Now that I'm reminiscing, what he used to say about that is "You can work for yourself or you can work for the bank."

 

[Keshka]

I think this is what is going to do it:

California Governor Bans Internal Combustion Engines ...​

https://www.hklaw.com › publications › 2020/09 › calif...

Sep 24, 2020 — The Order sets 2035 for a 100 percent ban on the sale of internal combustion engines for passenger cars and pickup trucks within California, ...

 

[Tuflehundon]

Except gas prices were high before the Ukraine issue, and as I understand it, there haven't been any sanctions on Russian oil yet (could be wrong about this). Gas price could very well be a bit lower than they are at this very moment, but Biden is going to have start removing at least some of the restraints on US Energy if he wants price to go back to what they were before he took office. Yes, Dems would be smart to do this before midterms, but they don't have a track record of making smart decisions, certainly not in Biden's term of office, so no reason to think they will now. Besides, it's unlikely they will win back a lot of voters, and perhaps alienate the far left wing.

Then again, Dems don't need to win elections, they just need to get into cheating distance. As well, Dems tend to get a lot done when they are not in power. At the very least, they can generate enough hate for Republicans and conservatives that no one pays attention to how horrible they are.

They will lose at lease one of the chambers even if gas prices do go back down. But republicans could win a super majority if they keep going up. Super majorities can overrule the President. They could avoid that if prices go back down.

And I am not blaming the current prices on Ukraine. That's the fault of inflation caused by bloated stimulus packages.