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[nikhsub1]

Cliff notes.

The Wear Protection reference categories are:

* Over 120,000 psi = FANTASTIC wear protection

* 105,000 to 120,000 psi = INCREDIBLE wear protection

* 90,000 to 105,000 psi = OUTSTANDING wear protection

* 75,000 to 90,000 psi = GOOD wear protection

* 60,000 to 75,000 psi = MODERATE wear protection

* 50,000 to 60,000 psi = UNDESIRABLE LOW wear protection

* Below 50,000 psi = CAUTION – EXTREMELY LOW wear protection

The HIGHER the psi value, the BETTER the Wear Protection.

2. 0W20 Amsoil Signature Series, synthetic = 134,840 psi (I omitted #1 since it involved additives)
3. 5W30 Amsoil Signature Series, synthetic = 134,352 psi
4. 5W30 Renewable Lubricants, Super High Performance Passenger Vehicle, Bio-SynXtra, motor oil = 130,436 psi
6. 0W40 Mobil 1 “FS” European Car Formula, ACEA A3/B3, A3/B4, API SN, synthetic = 127,221 psi (omitted #5 since it involved additives)
7. 5W30 Renewable Lubricants, HD Super High Performance, Bio-SynXtra motor oil = 125,250 psi
8. 0W20 Quaker State Ultimate Durability, API SN, synthetic (originally gold, now green bottle) = 124,393 psi
9. 5W30 Valvoline Full Synthetic High Mileage with MaxLife Technology, API SN, GM dexos 1 approved (silver bottle) = 123,470 psi
10. 5W30 Pentosin Pento Super Performance III, for gas and diesel engines, API S”M”, ACEA C3, synthetic, made in Germany = 122,711 psi
11. 5W20 Quaker State Ultimate Durability, API SN, GM dexos 1 approved, synthetic (originally gold, now green bottle) = 121,396 psi
12. 5W30 Quaker State Ultimate Durability, API SN, GM dexos 1 Gen 2, synthetic (green bottle) = 120,588 psi
13. 5W30 MPT THIRTY-K synthetic oil = 120,562 psi
14. 5W20 Valvoline Modern Engine Oil, for engines 2012 and newer, API SN, synthetic = 120,531 psi
15. 0W30 Gulf Competition, High Performance Racing Engine Oil, ester-based synthetic = 119,789 psi
16. 5W30 Mobil 1, Advanced Full Synthetic, API SN, GM dexos 1 approved = 117,799 psi
18. 10W30 Mobil 1, Advanced Full Synthetic, API SN = 115,635 psi
19. 5W30 Pennzoil Ultra, API SM synthetic = 115,612 psi
20. 5W20 Valvoline MaxLife High Mileage, API SN, dexos 1 approved, synthetic blend (red bottle) = 114,125 psi
21. 5W30 Mobil 1 ESP Formula (Emission System Protection), for diesel and gas engines, ACEA C2, C3, API SN, synthetic = 113,836 psi
22. 5W30 Quaker State Ultimate Durability, API SN, GM dexos 1 approved, synthetic (originally gold, now green bottle) = 113,377 psi
23. 5W30 Pennzoil Euro “AV” European Formula, for diesel and gas engines, ACEA C3, API SN, synthetic = 112,664 psi
24. 5W30 Motul 300V Ester Core 4T Racing Oil, synthetic = 112,464 psi
25. 5W30 Mag 1, FMX, European Formula, API S”M”, ACEA C3-08, synthetic, for gas and diesel cars and light trucks = 111,622 psi
26. “Oil Extreme concentrate” added to 5W30 Pennzoil Ultra, API SM synthetic = 111,570 psi
28. 5W30 LE (Lubrication Engineers) Monolec Tetra-Syn, API SN, GF-5, dexos 1, synthetic = 110,883 psi
29. 5W30 Oil Extreme Motor Oil, API SM synthetic (per the Oil Company, even though synthetic wording is not shown on the label) = 110,286 psi
30. 5W40 Mag 1, FMX, European Formula, API SN, ACEA A3/B4, synthetic, for gas and diesel cars and light trucks = 109,147 psi
31. 5W30 Valvoline MaxLife High Mileage, API SN, synthetic blend (red bottle) = 108,045 psi
32. 5W30 Castrol Edge Professional “LL03”, for diesel engines, ACEA C3, gold bottle, synthetic = 107,067 psi
33. 10W30 Lucas Racing Only synthetic = 106,505 psi
34. CFS 0W30 NT Millers Nanodrive Racing Oil, API SM synthetic = 105,907 psi
35. 5W30 Mobil 1, Advanced Full Synthetic, API SN = 105,875 psi
37. 5W30 NAPA Full Synthetic, API SN, dexos 1 approved, silver bottle = 105,319 psi

The list goes on. And on.

 

[nikhsub1]

What makes you think that Motorcraft doesn't make a pure synthetic oil?

I know that they do - the stuff the manual recommends and the dealer will put in is the blend.

 

[Jason Snokhous]

What makes you think that Motorcraft doesn't make a pure synthetic oil?

Hillbilly bob posts a vid on YouTube.. must be legit. Quit using Mobile 1 guys or your Raptor will implode. Seriously. I’ve been using it for years with great results but now I’m switching to Amsoil to pay 3 x as much for 3-5k mile intervals. Can’t use bottom of the barrel.

 

[JMEngineer]

The important thing is to keep your engine clean and lubricated. Oil may be the most important factor in doing this but it's definitely not the only factor. Oil filter is an obvious one. Air filter and PCV system are also very important and should be checked more often than most people do, especially if your Raptor is actually driven off-road. Unless your Raptor is modified and running high boost pressure, any decent synthetic on a reasonable change interval should be fine - as long as everything else is also monitored and maintained properly.

 

[FordPerf Addict]

Hillbilly bob posts a vid on YouTube.. must be legit. Quit using Mobile 1 guys or your Raptor will implode. Seriously. I’ve been using it for years with great results but now I’m switching to Amsoil to pay 3 x as much for 3-5k mile intervals. Can’t use bottom of the barrel.

This video literally shows you nothing.... it only shows how many anti wear additives in PPM there are... this tells you NOTHING

There’s 0 ****** oil analysis at all from black stone labs. It tells you none of the mix or concentrations of the wear additives. It doesn’t tell you the base oil, the pour pour, point flash point, viscosity, TBN.

These oils actually give good wear numbers when in a used oil analysis .

You can find the VOA and UOAs From black stone directly or from bobistheoilguy website. There’s a 500+ page thread on oils in the Ram forum and those guys really know what’s in these oils.

Those 3 oils are fine oils and do their job very well when used at good intervals. The wear numbers might not even be better with amsoil if both are changed at 5k miles. Maybe at 10 K the amsoil would do better, but spending more money on better oil with short intervals does not always make it better.

It’s like saying oh this pre workout supplement it way better cuz it has more ingredients. Which is never the case with anything.

I feel dumber after watching that

Pretty sure Mobil 1 is a group III hydro cracked synthetic oil . EP is group IV possibly group V base oils which group V are the best. Not sure about the motorcraft, but I’m guessing it’s at least a group III. For reference group I is like an older conventional oil, group II is also typically conventional and lower quality oil.

I have no idea how this guy can make any determination on these oils based on literally 0 quality evidence about that. Don’t let this scare you into wasting your hard earned $$ on expensive oils at short change intervals for every day normal driving.

Email black stone labs yourself or check out one of these forums for some real info. Or post a question in the RamForum thread after reading a little bit of it. Here’s the link Ramforum.com/threads/synthetic-oil.27664/page-3453

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[Donovan]

The Wear Protection reference categories are:

* Over 120,000 psi = FANTASTIC wear protection

* 105,000 to 120,000 psi = INCREDIBLE wear protection

* 90,000 to 105,000 psi = OUTSTANDING wear protection

* 75,000 to 90,000 psi = GOOD wear protection

* 60,000 to 75,000 psi = MODERATE wear protection

* 50,000 to 60,000 psi = UNDESIRABLE LOW wear protection

* Below 50,000 psi = CAUTION – EXTREMELY LOW wear protection

The HIGHER the psi value, the BETTER the Wear Protection.

2. 0W20 Amsoil Signature Series, synthetic = 134,840 psi (I omitted #1 since it involved additives)
3. 5W30 Amsoil Signature Series, synthetic = 134,352 psi
4. 5W30 Renewable Lubricants, Super High Performance Passenger Vehicle, Bio-SynXtra, motor oil = 130,436 psi
6. 0W40 Mobil 1 “FS” European Car Formula, ACEA A3/B3, A3/B4, API SN, synthetic = 127,221 psi (omitted #5 since it involved additives)
7. 5W30 Renewable Lubricants, HD Super High Performance, Bio-SynXtra motor oil = 125,250 psi
8. 0W20 Quaker State Ultimate Durability, API SN, synthetic (originally gold, now green bottle) = 124,393 psi
9. 5W30 Valvoline Full Synthetic High Mileage with MaxLife Technology, API SN, GM dexos 1 approved (silver bottle) = 123,470 psi
10. 5W30 Pentosin Pento Super Performance III, for gas and diesel engines, API S”M”, ACEA C3, synthetic, made in Germany = 122,711 psi
11. 5W20 Quaker State Ultimate Durability, API SN, GM dexos 1 approved, synthetic (originally gold, now green bottle) = 121,396 psi
12. 5W30 Quaker State Ultimate Durability, API SN, GM dexos 1 Gen 2, synthetic (green bottle) = 120,588 psi
13. 5W30 MPT THIRTY-K synthetic oil = 120,562 psi
14. 5W20 Valvoline Modern Engine Oil, for engines 2012 and newer, API SN, synthetic = 120,531 psi
15. 0W30 Gulf Competition, High Performance Racing Engine Oil, ester-based synthetic = 119,789 psi
16. 5W30 Mobil 1, Advanced Full Synthetic, API SN, GM dexos 1 approved = 117,799 psi
18. 10W30 Mobil 1, Advanced Full Synthetic, API SN = 115,635 psi
19. 5W30 Pennzoil Ultra, API SM synthetic = 115,612 psi
20. 5W20 Valvoline MaxLife High Mileage, API SN, dexos 1 approved, synthetic blend (red bottle) = 114,125 psi
21. 5W30 Mobil 1 ESP Formula (Emission System Protection), for diesel and gas engines, ACEA C2, C3, API SN, synthetic = 113,836 psi
22. 5W30 Quaker State Ultimate Durability, API SN, GM dexos 1 approved, synthetic (originally gold, now green bottle) = 113,377 psi
23. 5W30 Pennzoil Euro “AV” European Formula, for diesel and gas engines, ACEA C3, API SN, synthetic = 112,664 psi
24. 5W30 Motul 300V Ester Core 4T Racing Oil, synthetic = 112,464 psi
25. 5W30 Mag 1, FMX, European Formula, API S”M”, ACEA C3-08, synthetic, for gas and diesel cars and light trucks = 111,622 psi
26. “Oil Extreme concentrate” added to 5W30 Pennzoil Ultra, API SM synthetic = 111,570 psi
28. 5W30 LE (Lubrication Engineers) Monolec Tetra-Syn, API SN, GF-5, dexos 1, synthetic = 110,883 psi
29. 5W30 Oil Extreme Motor Oil, API SM synthetic (per the Oil Company, even though synthetic wording is not shown on the label) = 110,286 psi
30. 5W40 Mag 1, FMX, European Formula, API SN, ACEA A3/B4, synthetic, for gas and diesel cars and light trucks = 109,147 psi
31. 5W30 Valvoline MaxLife High Mileage, API SN, synthetic blend (red bottle) = 108,045 psi
32. 5W30 Castrol Edge Professional “LL03”, for diesel engines, ACEA C3, gold bottle, synthetic = 107,067 psi
33. 10W30 Lucas Racing Only synthetic = 106,505 psi
34. CFS 0W30 NT Millers Nanodrive Racing Oil, API SM synthetic = 105,907 psi
35. 5W30 Mobil 1, Advanced Full Synthetic, API SN = 105,875 psi
37. 5W30 NAPA Full Synthetic, API SN, dexos 1 approved, silver bottle = 105,319 psi

The list goes on. And on.

Thanks for the post I will do a bit more research and I may swap to a Amsoil or Mobil. So you omitted the ones with additives, as in detergents?

 

[Kmorgs]

Every car i've owned i always do at most 5k between oil changes. I am planning on running Motul Sport Ester 5W-40 in the Raptor and change every 5k miles.

I run it in my M5 now and change every 3k miles, but i run ****. Better to be on the safe side.

https://www.motul.com/es/en/products/sport-5w40

https://d23zpyj32c5wn3.cloudfront.n...ets/81777/Sport_5W-40__28GB_29.pdf?1492017750

 

[SRPRACING]

Just run a oil that is sn+, that also helps against lspi. Many oils label that it’s recommend for modern turbocharged engines. You want those types of oils. Also with a good quality oil filter and you’ll get the life you’re expecting. Motorcraft filters are perfectly designed for our trucks. Again run whoever you want. Everyone a critique. You should do changes every 4000-5000 miles.

The main culprit for the rattle and is the sign of a faulty drain back valve on the oil filter. Many many guys on the f150 ecoboost forum have concluded to this.

These ecoboost have quite a bit of fuel dilution. So changing sooner is definitely recommend compared to the manual.

One mans results can completely differ from another depending on so many factors. Just cuz one guy has amazing results from one oil doesn’t mean the other will get the same. Use what works for you..

Last thing, a good tip is if your truck is sitting for a few days and you are going to drive it. Hold down the gas pedal and turn the truck on. This cycles the engine without it actually running. Which helps build pressure and gets oil moving.