GEN 2 One List - Tuner comparisons...

[Guy]

Whipple is handcuffed by emissions standards and Ford who I think are ultimately going to relabel it as the FOMOCO tune when it makes it thru all the CARB testing. It’s not a bad tune. It’s safe and reliable, but mild.

5 Star early on made some goofy claims that they picked up horsepower at 3000 miles and started the rumor that the truck picked up juice on its own. Since proven false.... their dyno runs are even more inflated than Hennessey. You do that math.

MPT and Livernois are very similar, but Livernois pulls the A/F ratio, timing, boost in the upper RPM range for safety and reliability... so you can run one tune and throw on a trailer... it’s similar to the MPT tow tune. The ecoboost platform is prone to knock under load. With Livernois you don’t get transmission upgrades yet.

The add on chips are what they are.


It is why I’ve said it from day one... MPT is one heck of a tune.

Its always fun to compare dyno charts because there are so many ways to make them look the way the person wants them to for the internet viewers.

Lets be honest, most people arent pushing the skinny pedal down to WFO at every stop light so peak numbers are just that, there very most peak. I like to look at when power comes in at and compare them to see who brings the power on sooner and holds the power across the rpms vs a graph that looks like the letter n. With that being said id have to call BS on 5*s graph because its so far off of the others its not even believeable.

Although the graphs look so different from one another, take a look at all of them @3500RPMS. There identical!!

MPT 300HP/450TQ
Livernois 300HP/450TQ
AFE 300HP/450TQ
Superchips 295HP/440TQ
5* 435HP/560TQ
Whipple 240HP/350TQ
JMS RPMS Not Listed


I highlighted 5* & Whipple because the 5* is just so far from believeable im tossing it out and the Whipple is just to low to compare. JMS listed MPH vs RPMS so i could get the numbers off there chart.

Wayne

 

[MGD]

Are there SSI Tuning numbers yet?

 

[Digger]

I see that SCT finally has tunes available. I used them with my 12 Raptor and was very happy with their tunes. The dyno charts look very impressive and perhaps a bit too impressive. Has anyone on here tried them on a Gen2 yet?

 

[Guy]

You know.

The Toad posts some really great crap.

 

[Toadster]

love the conversation guys... i do see the torque curves looking very different across tuners...

 

[Sitdown]

Thanks for corralling the data. Got charts from the truck that did stock (RED), 5star 93perf (ORANGE), and MPT 93PRX (BROWN). All done on the same dyno using 5th gear. I did see one pull with higher torque on the mpt, but at least this shows them all on one sheet.

Stock to 5 star 93Perf.... : +22rwhp +52rwtq
Stock to MPT 93PRX...... : +45rwhp +85rwhp

 

[Toadster]

Thanks for corralling the data. Got charts from the truck that did stock (RED), 5star 93perf (ORANGE), and MPT 93PRX (BROWN). All done on the same dyno using 5th gear. I did see one pull with higher torque on the mpt, but at least this shows them all on one sheet.

Stock to 5 star 93Perf.... : +22rwhp +52rwtq
Stock to MPT 93PRX...... : +45rwhp +85rwhp

those curves are CRAZY different!!!

 

[Guy]

No contest.

All dynos are calibrated a little different, but I believe these curves are 35 horsepower low. 5 star comes in around 60 usually and MPT around 85-90.

So many factors though

those curves are CRAZY different!!!

 

[Sitdown]

correct so many variables, have to take each graph you see with grain of salt and average out all the consistent data you see. Even on the same dyno, same operator, gearing, etc.. overlaying charts also become skewed by enter/exit rpms, conditions and so on.

This particular dyno is consistently lower than most dynojets

 

[smurfslayer]

No contest.

All dynos are calibrated a little different, but I believe these curves are 35 horsepower low. 5 star comes in around 60 usually and MPT around 85-90.

So many factors though

don’t get too obsessed with the numbers themselves, as YMMV. That said, these all being done on the same dyno does tend to minimize the number of variables and gives us some sort of comparable data. Obviously, you can’t account for changing conditions, different trucks, etc. but it’s still good baseline data or at least a reference point.