Next-Gen Ford F-150 Raptor Will Get Supercharged 5.2L Predator V8

[BC119]

How resistant some of you guys are to change.

Tech develops fast, public opinion changes slowly. Shouldn't we all be pushing the public sector to develop the infrastructure required, while demanding innovation from the private sector?

How many degreed engineers are on this thread? I'm sure you'll find they're a lot more open to new technologies than most on here.

BuT MuhH V8 sound!

 

[Jakenbake]

How resistant some of you guys are to change.

Tech develops fast, public opinion changes slowly. Shouldn't we all be pushing the public sector to develop the infrastructure required, while demanding innovation from the private sector?

How many degreed engineers are on this thread? I'm sure you'll find they're a lot more open to new technologies than most on here.

BuT MuhH V8 sound!

You looking for an ABET accreditation or will a tech degree suffice.

Sometimes changing a process is for the best and is worth the investment to do so and sometimes it causes more issues and costs a lot. We should only push for this “progress” if it is truly progress.

And you bring up the V8 sound. Do you think that appearance on a vehicle matters? Both sound and sight part of the five senses but neither contribute to performance.

 

[jamanrr]

You looking for an ABET accreditation or will a tech degree suffice.

Sometimes changing a process is for the best and is worth the investment to do so and sometimes it causes more issues and costs a lot. We should only push for this “progress” if it is truly progress.

And you bring up the V8 sound. Do you think that appearance on a vehicle matters? Both sound and sight part of the five senses but neither contribute to performance.

Sound does not equate to performance generally. How many beat up Dodges and Chevrolets are running around with straight pipes, and would lose to a Civic Type R or Tesla S in any type of race. Granted on a GT350, GT500, and/ or Hell Cat the exhaust sounds awesome but those are rare cases.

I hate slow v8s with loud exhausts, it is like what is the point?

Man it sounds fast even if it is not, and how many of these fools rev their loud POS at people who they think they would smoke but ultimately end up embarrassing themselves.

 

[Jakenbake]

Sound does not equate to performance generally. How many beat up Dodges and Chevrolets are running around with straight pipes, and would lose to a Civic Type R or Tesla S in any type of race. Granted on a GT350, GT500, and/ or Hell Cat the exhaust sounds awesome but those are rare cases.

I hate slow v8s with loud exhausts, it is like what is the point? It is like it sounds fast even if it is not.

I agree, my point was neither does appearance excluding any appearance due to aerodynamics. We can get to practical about somethings if we are not careful.

Someone preferring an item based on appearance that doesn’t contribute in any other than visual shouldn’t be looked at as any different than someone who prefers a certain sound.

 

[Donovan]

Wasn't it like 2025 or something where vehicles would have to be at least hybrid or something..

 

[FordTechOne]

How resistant some of you guys are to change.

Tech develops fast, public opinion changes slowly. Shouldn't we all be pushing the public sector to develop the infrastructure required, while demanding innovation from the private sector?

How many degreed engineers are on this thread? I'm sure you'll find they're a lot more open to new technologies than most on here.

BuT MuhH V8 sound!

It has nothing to do with not being open to new technology, the issue is the people who are pushing this technology are the ones (Muskrat) who are profiting from it.

The Muskrats of the EV world want to dominate the market and rake in huge profits at the expense of the tax payer. In other words, the middle class. The government subsidies (EV tax credit) is a perfect example, wealthy people buying 100k electric cars and getting a tax credit for it on the backs of the working class.

Who do you think is going to finance the tens of billions in infrastructure upgrades necessary to make EVs a mainstream alternative? It’s not coming out of Tesla’s bottom line, that you can be sure of. It once again falls on tax payers, who continue to finance a government that is trillions in debt already.

Those who will benefit from EVs are companies like Amazon, who can lower their operating costs and increase profit. If they want to adopt EVs, they should be the ones paying for the necessary infrastructure to support their fleet. Not the government.

It’s ridiculous that the consumer is always the one to take the financial hit. They blame cars for climate change, but ignore the billions of tons of unregulated, unfiltered pollution put out by the shipping industry, airlines, and heavy trucking industry. Never mind the pollution generated by industries in China and India, which are the top 2 polluters in the world. Even if every vehicle on the road was an EV we wouldn’t put a dent in that. Combine that with the fact that the US electricity grid relies on 62.7% fossil fuels to generate electricity, EVs have little to no impact on climate change. But the people driving them, just like the Prius, think they are saving the world.

 

[DFS]

It has nothing to do with not being open to new technology, the issue is the people who are pushing this technology are the ones (Muskrat) who are profiting from it.

The Muskrats of the EV world want to dominate the market and rake in huge profits at the expense of the tax payer. In other words, the middle class. The government subsidies (EV tax credit) is a perfect example, wealthy people buying 100k electric cars and getting a tax credit for it on the backs of the working class.

Who do you think is going to finance the tens of billions in infrastructure upgrades necessary to make EVs a mainstream alternative? It’s not coming out of Tesla’s bottom line, that you can be sure of. It once again falls on tax payers, who continue to finance a government that is trillions in debt already.

Those who will benefit from EVs are companies like Amazon, who can lower their operating costs and increase profit. If they want to adopt EVs, they should be the ones paying for the necessary infrastructure to support their fleet. Not the government.

It’s ridiculous that the consumer is always the one to take the financial hit. They blame cars for climate change, but ignore the billions of tons of unregulated, unfiltered pollution put out by the shipping industry, airlines, and heavy trucking industry. Never mind the pollution generated by industries in China and India, which are the top 2 polluters in the world. Even if every vehicle on the road was an EV we wouldn’t put a dent in that. Combine that with the fact that the US electricity grid relies on 62.7% fossil fuels to generate electricity, EVs have little to no impact on climate change. But the people driving them, just like the Prius, think they are saving the world.

Very well said, not to mention that renewable energy's such as hydro-electric dams and wind farms are being found to have some of the most devastating environmental impacts of any energy source out there, completely and utterly destroying eco systems and killing birds by the thousands. But as long we turn a blind eye to reality, the tax payers will keep footing the bill for "progress", while the 1% and politicians get richer off of each other and "feel good" policies.

 

[BC119]

It has nothing to do with not being open to new technology, the issue is the people who are pushing this technology are the ones (Muskrat) who are profiting from it.

The Muskrats of the EV world want to dominate the market and rake in huge profits at the expense of the tax payer. In other words, the middle class. The government subsidies (EV tax credit) is a perfect example, wealthy people buying 100k electric cars and getting a tax credit for it on the backs of the working class.

Who do you think is going to finance the tens of billions in infrastructure upgrades necessary to make EVs a mainstream alternative? It’s not coming out of Tesla’s bottom line, that you can be sure of. It once again falls on tax payers, who continue to finance a government that is trillions in debt already.

Those who will benefit from EVs are companies like Amazon, who can lower their operating costs and increase profit. If they want to adopt EVs, they should be the ones paying for the necessary infrastructure to support their fleet. Not the government.

It’s ridiculous that the consumer is always the one to take the financial hit. They blame cars for climate change, but ignore the billions of tons of unregulated, unfiltered pollution put out by the shipping industry, airlines, and heavy trucking industry. Never mind the pollution generated by industries in China and India, which are the top 2 polluters in the world. Even if every vehicle on the road was an EV we wouldn’t put a dent in that. Combine that with the fact that the US electricity grid relies on 62.7% fossil fuels to generate electricity, EVs have little to no impact on climate change. But the people driving them, just like the Prius, think they are saving the world.

I think we need some ruthless back office guys to audit the hell out of every dime the government spends.

Focus on productivity and show value with every $ of tax money spent and stop providing insane unsupervised handouts to major corporations that don't care about the American public past what they can sell to them.

I'm not big on politics, but I feel like with a ton of fat trimming, we can bring bridges, roads, crumbling commercial and residential infrastructure all up to speed.

To your China and India point, I did a bit of undergrad research in combustion, and it was often pointed out that we as a country cannot possibly outweigh the negative impact that major polluters have on the world, so why bother.

I always tout our innovative nature, and if we find a way take a chunk out of the transportation pollution with new technology, China will most likely follow suit. (Not great innovators, but world class when it comes to IP theft).

Edit: Also want to add that no one should think they are holier than thou by driving a Prius or Hybrid EV. It takes global cooperation to effect meaningful change, not you doing 60 in the left lane in your 06 prius.

I just want a Raptor that has a McLaren P1esque powertrain, or one with like 700 instant ft*lbs of torque

 

[BC119]

I agree, my point was neither does appearance excluding any appearance due to aerodynamics. We can get to practical about somethings if we are not careful.

Someone preferring an item based on appearance that doesn’t contribute in any other than visual shouldn’t be looked at as any different than someone who prefers a certain sound.

Fair point. For guys like us, its generally the overwhelming of all the senses that brings us back for more. Fast cars, trucks, bikes, planes, whatever. They all provide a certain visceral feel that cannot be simply overlooked.

My point was the direction of the tech for the general population, and for the number one selling vehicle in America. Guys that own Raptors generally have different interests than your typical sedan or 1/2 ton truck owner.

 

[Braaaaptor]

https://www.kron4.com/news/californ...as-powered-passenger-cars-and-trucks-by-2035/

California just made being a Raptorboiiii that much harder.

It'll be interesting to see what and how manufacturers are able to meet these increasingly lofty demands of regulators. I don't envy engineers and designers who are now on a precipice of a significant infrastructure paradigm shift and have to meet those requirements all while forsaking the time spent designing, refining, and building the ICE as a concept.

There just aren't enough enthusiasts to support cool interesting cars and when they become legislated away us as enthusiasts will be lost in the shuffle regardless of what we want Ford to do or build us.