GEN 2 My prediction on the 5.2

[jaggwaa]

You hit the nail on the head for another one of the biggest knocks on EVs that’s seldom talked about. They’re pretty much neutered in sever cold. You wouldnt/shouldn’t trust a Tesla X as your sole vehicle trekking through northern New England in the winter for example. I read some car mag article comparing some 4x4 SUVs or trucks (honestly the raptor May have been involved) but @ any rate they mention one of the journalists baling out a family member w/ one of the SUVs they were testing that was stranded in northern Cali- not due to insufficient tires/drivetrain - was a Tesla w/ chains I think - but because it essentially went dead from the cold.

Here’s EV’s in a nutshell- a pipedream peddled to the public on the backs of CAFE regulations forced onto automakers who for the most part were never really ready to R&D or push for EVs @ this point & we’re still refining & perfecting the gas, diesel, & gas/diesel hybrid models that easily could leave a smaller carbon footprint than the EVs once you consider the other HUGE elephant in the room- “cart before the horse”- could never be more fitting- our power grid is still predominantly non-renewable & until we can say 90% of the grid is green- NONE of the EVs are- the coal fired + trash incineration plants are not going anywhere & disrupting envirnonments by “forcing” green energy like harnessing more hydro power by flooding forests for instance or sticking wind farms in the ocean impeding the natural movement of wildlife & requiring all kinds of maintenance & raw materials- BS. Then you could go into the discussion of how even when the renewable energy source is derived in the truest “green” way possible (solar panels for instance) the majority of the time the power gets lost to ground since it isnt always utilized @ peak/optimum levels & we are way behind the 8 ball when it comes to power storage.

Then consider that the batteries are not easily recycled & cant be handled by the typical large auto shredder plant that handles 99% of the waste metal in the nation including traditional cars. The recycling process loses some of the original raw materials & creates hazardous byproducts, it’s also not economical - so expect more taxpayer funded subsidies to force it to happen while traditional recyclers get screwed.

Then let’s talk about the lack of charging stations & more importantly the length of time to get a full charge- even if it was a avg of 30 mins, which would be FAST compared to reality- that’s still 6-7x slower than gassing up a 36 gallon Raptor!!!

How would you like to be sitting in dead stop Shanghai, London, LA or Boston during rush hour behind the ******* who ran outta juice in the dead center lane?

Oh- and now they’re getting people to trust being driven around autonomously by a damn appliance that we still can’t seem to get an airbag straight w/ & the lemmings/sheep all are accepting of that kool aid that AI self driving cars are good to go an unfinished technology that is merely years old - and YET - the same industry is getting sued left & right cuz they can’t get an airbag sorted out? Mmmkay. Forget about waiting to get a charge you’ll be waiting in line for your divorce proceeding while the courts get weighed down by countless self driving car lawsuits!!!! Oh and while they’re on that kool aid, they refuse to accept nuclear power as an abundant clean energy source b/c it’s “scary” yet that tech is 100x older than ******** AI shit! Tally up how many people in history of earth have been killed by nuclear anything- including bombs- & I’m guessing it ain’t even close to how many people die as a result of motor vehicles in a calendar year in N. America.

Focus on getting the grid green. Focus on pushing solar panel technology in major cities all over hardscapes & skyscrapers & utilities - make it national building code set in stone for any municipality or govt related project- & it’ll start trickling down to the commercial/resedential space.

Until then? EVs are a fraud that’s been pushed onto the public.

Lastly- yeah some EV could probably beat my Z06 in the 1/4 mile...once or twice, let’s see what happens the 5th or 6th time when they lose peak charge? How bout running me down @ VIR or Englishtown? Laughable. What they gonna ask for a “timeout” to recharge?

Just like an upgraded intercooler gives a ttV6 raptor ability to produce peak performance consistently & repeatedly, but may be at a disadvantage w/ a stock IC against a similarly powerful/equipped truck powered by a N/A V8. Except right now there’s nothing that can keep an EV from running hard 100% until the last drop of energy is depleted same way a mustang would run til you ran outta gas.

It isn’t that I hate the idea of the technology of EVs in a vacuum, I just can’t stand the fraudulent way they’ve been peddled to the less informed public & how Dbags driving em tend to look down on someone w/ a Raptor for being “greener” or how some idiot w/ a Tesla says “I bet I can beat ya in your vette” - yeah maybe once, maybe in a straight line, but it’s a one-off parlor trick.

Besides all that, i have one word for anything that is rechargeable. its disposable, limited life. its a fraud. Look at phones, 10 years ago, people would buy a phone every 3-5 years or so, usual first point of failure is always battery, but it was replaceable at that time, and then they changed it to internal battery, How do u think apple and samsung come up with new phone every year, because they are selling new models every year because last year's phone's battery is already at half capacity. Apple did same thing with the mac book pro with fixed internal storage. Anything with a battery is already dead before its new. And not to mention supercharging:the best way to shorten battery's life, is a plus point for advertisement. This is the new business model for next 100 years. All 'ev'ss'' would do is keep money rolling in for the manufacturers consistently every year like clock work. The consumer is hugely Fu****up without realising it. All the dings and bells are marketing and i have to give it to manufacturers. simply brilliant. This electric facade is the new Oil Business

 

[NASSTY]

Finally someone with foresight. As a wall street guy, i study trends in terms of 10 years or 20. Ford is only getting away with 3.5eb in raptor is because there is no competition. Your analysis is on point man.

Don't try to use Sasquatch logic on us. It didn't work for him.

 

[JMIB99]

So, maybe the V8 wars aren't going to happen...there is a chance the Ram will be getting the newly patented, turboed, inline 6.

https://moparinsiders.com/fca-files-patent-related-to-upcoming-turbo-inline-6/

The TRX will definitely have the hellcat engine in her, but like many of the previous posts stated, you can guarantee at least a $90k price tag.

 

[EricM]

The TRX will definitely have the hellcat engine in her, but like many of the previous posts stated, you can guarantee at least a $90k price tag.

That $90K estimate of yours is only because they can though, not because the Hellcat engine is expensive. I doubt a S/C V8 costs any more to produce than a Turbo 6, at least in any significant way. Maybe a few hundred one way or the other.

There's a serious misconception that a big HP engine costs a lot of money to produce. Yes, it more than a entry level engine, but OEMs make their own parts generally- there's just not much additional cost to step up to s better part to hold more power. The blower that would cost you thousands to buy aftermarket, only cost them hundreds when they buy 25,000 of them at a time.

 

[ChaseH]

I read this whole post and all I focus on is someone calling a Ford GT ugly...Might be the only person on earth that feels that way...

 

[K223]

A lot of negatives here. Does somebody not like the Raptor? Did you only buy it because it happened to be a superstar at a lot of things? But felt there was nothing else in the market that you could compare it too? So you settled?

I’m enjoying mine in many ways. Love the looks of it and the performance. It’s like a sports car in the form of a big off road truck.

If Ford keeps this platform into the 3rd gen, which I would think they would, I still wouldn’t doubt a potent hybrid version to come out next. They have a 5.2 out, and it may make a limited appearance. But the way things are going now, how long would it last model year wise? Yes I’m thinking outside the box now and further into the future.

 

[EricM]

A lot of negatives here. Does somebody not like the Raptor? Did you only buy it because it happened to be a superstar at a lot of things? But felt there was nothing else in the market that you could compare it too? So you settled?

I’m enjoying mine in many ways. Love the looks of it and the performance. It’s like a sports car in the form of a big off road truck.

If Ford keeps this platform into the 3rd gen, which I would think they would, I still wouldn’t doubt a potent hybrid version to come out next. They have a 5.2 out, and it may make a limited appearance. But the way things are going now, how long would it last model year wise? Yes I’m thinking outside the box now and further into the future.

There a lots of people, including me, who will not buy a Raptor powered by a TT V6. We don't think it's a reliable engine long term. When you look at the amount of complaints about the 3.5L EB engine on this site compared to the 6.2L V8 to date, I'd say the numbers already firmly back that up- and the 3.5L EB engines are mostly all still very low mileage. Age will start to turn up boost leaks and all of the fun that comes with aged pressurized plastic and rubber components- of which the 3.5L EB has a ton of.

It just depends on whether you plan to keep a truck long term or plan to be buying new ones every five years or so. Having the V6 under warranty is not so bad- it is powerful and fast, but you'll hate it when it's in the dealership repair bay for month waiting on parts and you are stuck in a uber, borrowing your wife's car or driving your garage queen in shit weather.

 

[xrocket21]

There a lots of people, including me, who will not buy a Raptor powered by a TT V6. We don't think it's a reliable engine long term. When you look at the amount of complaints about the 3.5L EB engine on this site compared to the 6.2L V8 to date, I'd say the numbers already firmly back that up- and the 3.5L EB engines are mostly all still very low mileage. Age will start to turn up boost leaks and all of the fun that comes with aged pressurized plastic and rubber components- of which the 3.5L EB has a ton of.

It just depends on whether you plan to keep a truck long term or plan to be buying new ones every five years or so. Having the V6 under warranty is not so bad- it is powerful and fast, but you'll hate it when it's in the dealership repair bay for month waiting on parts and you are stuck in a uber, borrowing your wife's car or driving your garage queen in shit weather.

One thing I noticed about this truck is that there arent really clamped boost/vac line with vacuum hoses and shit. They are all hard lines with o-ringed twist lock connections.

 

[K223]

I will admit there will be more maintenance with a complex boosted engine, then something closer to older school like a N/A V8.

But it’s getting harder to match the power figures turbo and SC engines make. Just the way it’s gone.

My garage queen is carbureted and larger displacement, so I know what’s it’s like from one end of the scale to the other. Always pro’s and con’s.

 

[smurfslayer]

There a lots of people, including me, who will not buy a Raptor powered by a TT V6. We I don't think it's a reliable engine long term and I won’t miss a single opportunity to post about it.

Fixed it for you.