Motor oil on top of intake manifold

[Donmatteo]

Well bright star...actually I spent 2 years WINNING just such a case. It wasn't about having a catch can...wheels in this case. And yeah, it's a real thing and you are wrong about the CARB requirements voiding a vehicle warranty. The federal law applies and supersedes state law. As I mentioned, California can fine you and make you remove the catch can but the manufacturer MUST honor their warranty UNLESS they can PROVE your modification caused the specific failure and then they can only deny that specific claim. The warranty remains in effect for all other claims.

Of course you have… <insert eye roll emoji here>

 

[pbtjrlmrt]

Of course you have… <insert eye roll emoji here>

Just a troll aren't you. Your mis information and mis understanding of your rights and how warranty law works is surpassed only by your willingness to spread inaccurate information to people seeking answers. My lawsuit was for 1500.00 and I got and extra 250 plus they had to cover my legal bills.

 

[Donmatteo]

Just a troll aren't you. Your mis information and mis understanding of your rights and how warranty law works is surpassed only by your willingness to spread inaccurate information to people seeking answers. My lawsuit was for 1500.00 and I got and extra 250 plus they had to cover my legal bills.

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1. That letter doesn’t state anything other than your property was damaged and you got money. It could have been for a fender bender or someone damaged your garage door for all we know.

2. I was speaking about CA where dealers Galpin Ford and Vista Ford deny claims for any modification of stock. You seem to be from Oregon and really can’t speak for how citizens of Ca are treated when it comes to any warranty matters.

3. Every car forum has that warranty act tossed around. The devil is always in the details.

Bottom line is your “facts” are no different than my “facts”. It’s up to the individuals for deal with it themselves. Forum posts are not admissible in court.

 

[Donmatteo]

Well bright star...actually I spent 2 years WINNING just such a case. It wasn't about having a catch can...wheels in this case. And yeah, it's a real thing and you are wrong about the CARB requirements voiding a vehicle warranty. The federal law applies and supersedes state law. As I mentioned, California can fine you and make you remove the catch can but the manufacturer MUST honor their warranty UNLESS they can PROVE your modification caused the specific failure and then they can only deny that specific claim. The warranty remains in effect for all other claims.

Well dim star.

https://www.ford.com/cmslibs/conten...ck-Warranty-version-1_frdwa_EN-US_04_2019.pdf
Page 22.
Educate YOURSELF about California Emissions Laws and Fords Warranty.


From page 26


Owner’s Warranty Responsibilities
As the vehicle owner, you are responsible for the performance of the required maintenance listed in your owner’s manual. Ford Motor Company recommends that you retain all receipts covering maintenance on your vehicle, but Ford cannot deny warranty coverage solely for the lack of receipts or for your failure to ensure the performance of all scheduled maintenance.
You are responsible for presenting your vehicle to a Ford Motor Company dealer as soon as a problem exists. The warranty repairs should be completed in a reasonable amount of time, not to exceed 30 days.

As the vehicle owner, you should also be aware that Ford Motor Company may deny you warranty coverage if your vehicle or a part has failed due to abuse, neglect, improper maintenance, or unapproved modifications.

If you have any questions regarding your warranty rights and responsibilities, or if you want to report what you believe to be violations of the terms of this warranty, you may contact the Ford Customer Relationship Center at 1-800-392-3673 (FORD) or the California Air Resources Board at:
California Air Resources Board 9528 Telstar Avenue
El Monte, California 91731


Are you done playing pretend lawyer?

 

[FordTechOne]

The warranty can not be voided. Federal law requires manufacturers to honor ALL warranty claims unless they can PROVE that a specific claim is directly related to a modification. And then only that specific claim can be denied. JLT does not catch vapor while under boodt. You have a boosted engine therefore you will only be catchning oil very rarely. Better than nothing I guess...barely... but why not do it right.

That is not entirely accurate. Let me start out by stating that Magnuson Moss was enacted to prevent manufacturers from voiding warranties due to the use of OEM equivalent aftermarket parts...in other words, a manufacturer cannot void your powertrain warranty during a routine maintenance visit just because you installed a Purolator filter and not an OEM branded one. Now, that being said, if that Purolator filter collapses and allows dirt to enter the engine, the resulting damage is still a non-warrantable failure.

Aftermarket modifications that change the OEM engine design, operation, or calibration are not covered under Magnuson Moss. That means if you choose to tune your PCM and you melt down a piston, the manufacturer does not need to prove that your tune caused the failure. It would be ridiculous to require any manufacturer to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars and tens of thousands of hours testing your custom tune to determine whether it might induce the failure that occurred. That is not the manufacturers responsibility; they can only warranty the calibration and parts that they sell the vehicle with. Anything modified beyond that is on the consumer, and rightfully so.

As far as a catch can, the addition of such a system does not change the performance of the vehicle. It is simply there to reduce the crankcase byproducts inducted into the intake manifold. It's easy enough to test the the system for a vacuum or pressure leak; if one doesn't exist, it's fair to say that the aftermarket modification isn't the root cause of the failure that occurred. But if, for example, you install a kit that requires drilling into the intake/CAC piping and contamination is drawn through that connection resulting in the dusting of the turbocharger compressor wheel, that is not a warrantable failure and will be treated as such.

 

[pbtjrlmrt]

Well dim star.

https://www.ford.com/cmslibs/conten...ck-Warranty-version-1_frdwa_EN-US_04_2019.pdf
Page 22.
Educate YOURSELF about California Emissions Laws and Fords Warranty.


From page 26


Owner’s Warranty Responsibilities
As the vehicle owner, you are responsible for the performance of the required maintenance listed in your owner’s manual. Ford Motor Company recommends that you retain all receipts covering maintenance on your vehicle, but Ford cannot deny warranty coverage solely for the lack of receipts or for your failure to ensure the performance of all scheduled maintenance.
You are responsible for presenting your vehicle to a Ford Motor Company dealer as soon as a problem exists. The warranty repairs should be completed in a reasonable amount of time, not to exceed 30 days.

As the vehicle owner, you should also be aware that Ford Motor Company may deny you warranty coverage if your vehicle or a part has failed due to abuse, neglect, improper maintenance, or unapproved modifications.

If you have any questions regarding your warranty rights and responsibilities, or if you want to report what you believe to be violations of the terms of this warranty, you may contact the Ford Customer Relationship Center at 1-800-392-3673 (FORD) or the California Air Resources Board at:
California Air Resources Board 9528 Telstar Avenue
El Monte, California 91731


Are you done playing pretend lawyer?

Absolutely nothing in this post disputes the FACT that Ford can not deny a claim unless it's proven to be directly related to the failure. My only point was that the entire vehicle warrant can not be voided due to a single mod...only specific claims directly impacted by said modification. You backed me up completely...Thank you.

 

[pbtjrlmrt]

That is not entirely accurate. Let me start out by stating that Magnuson Moss was enacted to prevent manufacturers from voiding warranties due to the use of OEM equivalent aftermarket parts...in other words, a manufacturer cannot void your powertrain warranty during a routine maintenance visit just because you installed a Purolator filter and not an OEM branded one. Now, that being said, if that Purolator filter collapses and allows dirt to enter the engine, the resulting damage is still a non-warrantable failure.

Aftermarket modifications that change the OEM engine design, operation, or calibration are not covered under Magnuson Moss. That means if you choose to tune your PCM and you melt down a piston, the manufacturer does not need to prove that your tune caused the failure. It would be ridiculous to require any manufacturer to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars and tens of thousands of hours testing your custom tune to determine whether it might induce the failure that occurred. That is not the manufacturers responsibility; they can only warranty the calibration and parts that they sell the vehicle with. Anything modified beyond that is on the consumer, and rightfully so.

As far as a catch can, the addition of such a system does not change the performance of the vehicle. It is simply there to reduce the crankcase byproducts inducted into the intake manifold. It's easy enough to test the the system for a vacuum or pressure leak; if one doesn't exist, it's fair to say that the aftermarket modification isn't the root cause of the failure that occurred. But if, for example, you install a kit that requires drilling into the intake/CAC piping and contamination is drawn through that connection resulting in the dusting of the turbocharger compressor wheel, that is not a warrantable failure and will be treated as such.

Agreed. You made my point. Even if the tune in your example causes a denied claim for engine failure the rest of your warranty is still in effect for electronics, etc, etc

 

[Donmatteo]

Absolutely nothing in this post disputes the FACT that Ford can not deny a claim unless it's proven to be directly related to the failure. My only point was that the entire vehicle warrant can not be voided due to a single mod...only specific claims directly impacted by said modification. You backed me up completely...Thank you.

When did I say the entire warranty would be voided? I said warranty claim would be denied, which is supported as noted below.

read page 26 referring to California cars.

As the vehicle owner, you should also be aware that Ford Motor Company may deny you warranty coverage if your vehicle or a part has failed due to abuse, neglect, improper maintenance, or unapproved modifications.

 

[WestTXRaptor6]

Agreed. You made my point. Even if the tune in your example causes a denied claim for engine failure the rest of your warranty is still in effect for electronics, etc, etc

Your reading comprehension sucks. Here is Donmateo's exact quote which started you on this journey of spewing nonsense:
that’s not 100% accurate.

Catch cans are illegal (yes, illegal) in California per CARB laws and is enough justification to not honor a warranty claim, at least in CA.

 

[drdjin]

My mechanic told me that my intake manifold is probably warped which will cause a leak. He is fixing to replace the manifold and gaskets.