Looking for a 6.2L Raptor owner interested in a camshaft swap.... **discounted price**

[SVTRay]

Well since we're discussing our evolvement with manufacturing and developing car parts,

GM stopped manufacturing parts for the 80's Buick Regals probably 10-15yrs ago and NOS parts sell for a premium. So I started manufacturing parts, namely for the Grand Nationals/T-Type models. Now I had my own T-Type Regal but sometimes I needed other cars for test fitting...center caps for example since I was running aftermarket wheels. When this happened I generally gave the person the parts in Thanks for helping me out. Anyhow, to each his own I guess.

 

[Livernois Motorsports]

:soapbox:

This reminds me of what a friend used to say to me when I raced in a few of the Mickey Thompson Stadium Series events.. "It's the only circus where the performers pay to perform"... My friend used to get upset because of the relatively high entry fees, low payback (prize money), and the perception that MTEG was making tons of money from the show the racers were putting on...

I never saw it that way... it was just a lot of fun... and an opportunity that could not be found anywhere else.

With this kind of deal there's no "should" in my opinion. Livernois has every right to charge whatever they feel is fair and each of us has the right to accept or reject the offer. Hell, there's probably someone out there who would pay full retail just to have the first one and/or get their name in a magazine!

Livernois has a great rep and that alone might make this deal worth it to someone who wants this mod but is afraid of all the "hack" shops out there.

If you don't like the price, don't buy it. Simple as that.

Mark,

Thank you for your post, I agree with this 100%.

From another forum...

Ok ...If I can chirp in here for a min. ...
I just got of the phone with my F.R. Inside guy...Is far as he knows (read He checked while on the phone) These are NOT F.R. cams...What ever Livernois is doing is independent of anything Ford has done or is doing...F.R. Is still waiting on install instructions for cam fazing on the cams they will be selling to us.... Might be wrong BUT..????????

These camshafts are not publicly available at this time, but we are working closely with Ford Racing to get power numbers and check clearance with these camshafts in an otherwise stock 6.2L engine.

Since there is disbelief that they exist, here is a photo of the box with the part number....







Thank you

Regards,

Rick LeBlanc
Livernois Motorsports

 

[MMC Racing]

Going to qualify this by stating the obvious - this is my opinion.. My opinion is the price paid for a part during an R&D exercise like this should be proportional to the time the vehicle needs to be borrowed from the customer. 1 week, 25% discount. 2 weeks, 50% discount (just picking numbers out of the air to demonstrate). Loss of use to me is worth something. While I can put off hauling some piece of cargo for a week, after a couple weeks I'm borrowing or renting a truck to move it. Outside of potential rental cost, it is costing me time which is very valuable to me.

This is me and why I'll always have to pay the going rate for parts. Other people will be in different situations. Owner X may have another pickup truck and be retired. That person may have no problem lending their vehicle for 2 months to save 25%. This is the beauty of the free market. What someone is willing to pay IS the right price.

 

[rightNut]

Going to qualify this by stating the obvious - this is my opinion.. My opinion is the price paid for a part during an R&D exercise like this should be proportional to the time the vehicle needs to be borrowed from the customer. 1 week, 25% discount. 2 weeks, 50% discount (just picking numbers out of the air to demonstrate). Loss of use to me is worth something. While I can put off hauling some piece of cargo for a week, after a couple weeks I'm borrowing or renting a truck to move it. Outside of potential rental cost, it is costing me time which is very valuable to me.

This is me and why I'll always have to pay the going rate for parts. Other people will be in different situations. Owner X may have another pickup truck and be retired. That person may have no problem lending their vehicle for 2 months to save 25%. This is the beauty of the free market. What someone is willing to pay IS the right price.

Each person can run the math on this and come to their own conclusion. Here's the way I look at it: for $5k, I am getting a full Stainless Works header/exhaust, an Airaid CAI, custom tune, dyno numbers, the first set of Raptor XT cams, all installed by one of the best in the business. The cams are free! So, I get a 100% discount on cams and they plan on having my truck for 1.5-2 weeks.

A buddy of mine had headers, exhaust, CAI, leveling kit, tune/dyno, installed by a different reputable shop--with no cams--installed for $7k. He doesn't think, nor do I, that he got ripped off. He was willing to pay $7k, they did great work, and his raptor is awesome and it sounds like a beast.

I hope FRPP and Livernois make enough money on their investments and work to offer cheap cams to do-it-yourselfers like wiz.

 

[BigJ]

Here's how I see this: I do what I do best, so I can afford to pay those who do what they do best. Its really just that simple.

No one should look down on another because they're not doing the work themselves, or they're relying on others expertise. I mean seriously... those who are looking down over their nose... did you invent, design, and build that computer you're using? Or did you just buy it? I suppose I could blast away at you, and say you WAY overpaid for some sand and plastic, right?

Keep it in perspective guys. Value, especially in these situations, is totally in the eye of the beholder. I see the value in what 'Nut is doing with Livernois. In fact to me he's getting FAR more than the dollars spent indicate.

 

[rightNut]

Have to agree with wiz, it's a win win deal for you and a real scam for the truck owner. Anyone that goes for this has more money than brains.

I will admit this (along with needing more hair, a bigger *******...the list of shortcomings goes on and on), if you can admit that you have never ran your own business (or at least share the mentality with those that have not).

 

[The Tank]

Mark,

Thank you for your post, I agree with this 100%.

From another forum...



These camshafts are not publicly available at this time, but we are working closely with Ford Racing to get power numbers and check clearance with these camshafts in an otherwise stock 6.2L engine.

Since there is disbelief that they exist, here is a photo of the box with the part number....







Thank you

Regards,

Rick LeBlanc
Livernois Motorsports

Right on Rick.

 

[rightNut]

A little update: a front LED bumper is heading from SDHQ to Livernois after it gets back from powdercoat. Along with front and rear lights, Livernois is also installing a set of +2" Deavers and adjusting the front shocks to the middle perch. And last but not least...I'm hoping they can take care of the key-in-ignition chime.

I'm hoping they have all the parts in a couple of weeks and we can get it going.

 

[ifixcopcars]

I will admit this (along with needing more hair, a bigger *******...the list of shortcomings goes on and on), if you can admit that you have never ran your own business (or at least share the mentality with those that have not).

Actually I have run an automotive business, for the last 40 years. In this business I have done countless custom engine builds from flatheads to hemis, tires to interior, as well as custom exhaust work. Now, I will admit the freebies are few and far between, however, I have done specialty exhaust work, where the customer paid for the parts, at my actual cost. I did the design and labor for free. I made no profit on the initial job, but I made a happy customer, have since profited on my designs and the positive word of mouth from my happy customer is the best advertising of all