Jamal explains why the Gen II is better than the Gen I.

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The only thing that you've done to show superiority is quote tag lines from the creators. Nough said.

Oh these weren't tag lines but rather discussions about the all new Gen II Raptor. In the coming months I'm sure we'll hear more in depth specs about it and how they've improved upon the old one.

I'm buying the truck because I like it. Not for showing some sort of superiority. However people buy trucks for different reasons I suppose.

 

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Oh these weren't tag lines but rather discussions about the all new Gen II Raptor. In the coming months I'm sure we'll hear more in depth specs about it and how they've improved upon the old one.



I'm buying the truck because I like it. Not for showing some sort of superiority. However people buy trucks for different reasons I suppose.

Look, time comes, they show it actually performs above and beyond what the current model does and I'll pipe right up and say I approve, but the components just don't agree with me and a stock form gen 2 won't touch my gen 1. Show me a torture test I. The heat of the desert first though.


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Look, time comes, they show it actually performs above and beyond what the current model does and I'll pipe right up and say I approve, but the components just don't agree with me and a stock form gen 2 won't touch my gen 1. Show me a torture test I. The heat of the desert first though.

I'm certain they're working on all of that right now. I'm sure you won't be disappointed when they present future material to us all.

 

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I'm certain they're working on all of that right now. I'm sure you won't be disappointed when they present future material to us all.

That's the problem, you're so ****** sold that you won't listen to anything to the contrary


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That's the problem, you're so ****** sold that you won't listen to anything to the contrary

The only contrary I've read is that the ecoboost isn't a real engine. Guys will just drive them to Target, Walmart, Starbucks, the V8 is better etc. Really broad based derogatory and opinionated comments. If there were some substance to the comments then I could consider them. For whatever reason there's quite a bit of animosity toward the new gen II, and those who post any positive comments toward it. Even though this is the '17 section of the board. Strange that guys would waste their time on the '17 board if they don't like it.

Given I've driven a '13 Raptor and a '15 EB F-150, this is how I'm forming my opinion. The EB felt like it had more torque to me. Not sure what the numbers were but it had more off the line power. And that was the regular F-150 Lariat EB. Ford is saying that the engine they're putting in the new one is even better than the old 6.2 and consequently the new F-150 with EB motor. So right now, seat of the pants test tells me that the new regular F-150 has more power than the old gen I Raptor. So the new Gen II should be dialed. Makes me wonder what the hell they were thinking when they put the 6.2 in it as it's not all that fast imo. But that's the march of tech and advancement I guess. It's great to be a consumer these days. Shit just keeps getting better...

 

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The only contrary I've read is that the ecoboost isn't a real engine. Guys will just drive them to Target, Walmart, Starbucks, the V8 is better etc. Really broad based derogatory and opinionated comments. If there were some substance to the comments then I could consider them. For whatever reason there's quite a bit of animosity toward the new gen II, and those who post any positive comments toward it. Even though this is the '17 section of the board. Strange that guys would waste their time on the '17 board if they don't like it.

Given I've driven a '13 Raptor and a '15 EB F-150, this is how I'm forming my opinion. The EB felt like it had more torque to me. Not sure what the numbers were but it had more off the line power. And that was the regular F-150 Lariat EB. Ford is saying that the engine they're putting in the new one is even better than the old 6.2 and consequently the new F-150 with EB motor. So right now, seat of the pants test tells me that the new regular F-150 has more power than the old gen I Raptor. So the new Gen II should be dialed. Makes me wonder what the hell they were thinking when they put the 6.2 in it as it's not all that fast imo. But that's the march of tech and advancement I guess. It's great to be a consumer these days. Shit just keeps getting better...

Continuing to prove my point, you are eating up the talking points and have ignored the points made here. Do the work to the existing motor, like many of the existing members here have, and you have a much more beastly setup. Not to mention this truck isn't entirely about a motor. You out run your motor pretty quickly off-road and I don't want an aluminum sardine can attached to my power plant.


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Continuing to prove my point, you are eating up the talking points and have ignored the points made here. Do the work to the existing motor, like many of the existing members here have, and you have a much more beastly setup. Not to mention this truck isn't entirely about a motor. You out run your motor pretty quickly off-road and I don't want an aluminum sardine can attached to my power plant.


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Do you have any meaningful points to offer? If the truck isn't entirely about the engine then why are so many here all butthurt about the Ecoboost? It has more hp AND toque than the 6.2 how can that not be a good thing, objectively speaking?

 

[RLTW]

Do you have any meaningful points to offer? If the truck isn't entirely about the engine then why are so many here all butthurt about the Ecoboost? It has more hp AND toque than the 6.2 how can that not be a good thing, objectively speaking?

Because it has complicated a system where reliability is tantamount, I'll site the rx7s tt setup as an example. It's just one more thing to fail when simplicity is what is really needed. I can go on and on about the number of areas that they "improved" while ignoring the areas that actual end users told them they should improve.


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Because it has complicated a system where reliability is tantamount, I'll site the rx7s tt setup as an example. It's just one more thing to fail when simplicity is what is really needed. I can go on and on about the number of areas that they "improved" while ignoring the areas that actual end users told them they should improve.

Another guy here said that this board has a great relationship with Ford and that many of the ideas from this board were implemented in the new Gen II. I'm paraphrasing but it sounds like the relationship may be in his head more than the reality?

 

[RLTW]

We certainly did until this garbage gen 2 came around


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