IT'S Official TRX coming

[Truckzor]

Hmmmmmm, what is the one thing F1 cars and the Jenny have in common..........oh yeah, that's right, they both use V6 turbos to embarrass the competition.

Funny how F1 engineers selected a V6 turbo when they could have picked any engine layout. Also funny how Ford engineers picked a V6 turbo for their highest performance truck for the very same reasons.

But yeah, don't let facts get in the way of your emotional argument. V8s FOREVER!!!!

Your analysis of both F1 and the US truck market is a bit simplistic, don't you think?

The Jenny has an Ecoboost for marketing reasons and because the next gen truck motor isn't ready yet. This will be corrected in the near term. I for one certainly don't know if the V8 will be around forever but all signs currently point to its survival for the foreseeable future. It sure as hell won't be a V6 that pushes it out of the market. The only thing that can do that is regulations and to a lesser extent packaging compromises (much like F1 racing). And Le Mans class rules for that matter.

 

[jaz13]

Your analysis of both F1 and the US truck market is a bit simplistic, don't you think?

The Jenny has an Ecoboost for marketing reasons and because the next gen truck motor isn't ready yet. This will be corrected in the near term. I for one certainly don't know if the V8 will be around forever but all signs currently point to its survival for the foreseeable future. It sure as hell won't be a V6 that pushes it out of the market. The only thing that can do that is regulations and to a lesser extent packaging compromises (much like F1 racing). And Le Mans class rules for that matter.

Your precious 7X V8 is being developed for tow-trucks and dump-trucks. The V6TT in my Raptor was designed to win Le Mans. My Raptor is a toy and I definitely know which engine I want in it. But if I ever need a tow-truck, I'll definitely look at the 7X V8.

As for cylinder count, it is plunging at an alarming rate. V12s are all but dead. Same with V10s. BMW, Mercedes, Aston Martin, Ferrari, Lamborghini and all the other high-performance, spare no expense auto brands are shedding cylinders like they are going out of style. V8TT is the new V12, just like V6TT is the new V8. Deny it all you want, but engine design is changing and the highest performance vehicles are all downsizing their cylinder counts and are far exceeding the performance of their bigger predecessors. Just ask any Gen1 owner who upgraded to a Jenny.

 

[df4801]

Your analysis of both F1 and the US truck market is a bit simplistic, don't you think?

The Jenny has an Ecoboost for marketing reasons and because the next gen truck motor isn't ready yet. This will be corrected in the near term. I for one certainly don't know if the V8 will be around forever but all signs currently point to its survival for the foreseeable future. It sure as hell won't be a V6 that pushes it out of the market. The only thing that can do that is regulations and to a lesser extent packaging compromises (much like F1 racing). And Le Mans class rules for that matter.

Hey Truckzor, we get it.... you dont have a Gen2 Raptor. So why on the Gen2 Raptor forum??? Why are you here?

Why dont you just go away until the Raptor has a V8 again?

Better yet, just go away for good

 

[RAPTERRIER]

Truckzor is pretty much the last one. Most of the jerkers left a while ago when the Gen II blew their old POS into the weeds.

 

[Raptorguy1]

I'm sure it will , because you all payed $80,000 for a V6 and Focked up the pricing.

I would expect the 19 Raptor pricing to climb with $1500 Recaro seats and the new shocks should add to the price. If Ford tries to match TRX with a higher output engine, they'll likely be pretty close in price.

 

[1BAD454SS]

I would expect the 19 Raptor pricing to climb with $1500 Recaro seats and the new shocks should add to the price. If Ford tries to match TRX with a higher output engine, they'll likely be pretty close in price.

The FCA hellcat versions caused a lot of manufactures to raise their horsepower. Look at the ZL1 now and new GT500 750hp (est) . 4 Door sedans from Cadillac , Mercedes and BMW all upped their horsepower since 2015 hellcats. Even the new Vettes upped their HP. I Suspect the TRX will do the same for the Raptor. I'm not a ecoboost hater , i own a 2014 . I Think Ford forced you to drink the KoolAid , that this is the best engine for a Raptor . The GEN2 HO engine is same HP you could easily get from a Gen 1 ecoboost with $2000 in Mods, tune , intercooler and exhaust. You are pretty much limited to around 500 hp without some serious modifications , bigger turbos , fueling. For 600+ HP a built engine is needed. If Ford would of put a 5.0 in the Raptor. You could easily have 700 hp with either a turbo kit or supercharger kit.

 

[jaz13]

The FCA hellcat versions caused a lot of manufactures to raise their horsepower. Look at the ZL1 now and new GT500 750hp (est) . 4 Door sedans from Cadillac , Mercedes and BMW all upped their horsepower since 2015 hellcats. Even the new Vettes upped their HP. I Suspect the TRX will do the same for the Raptor. I'm not a ecoboost hater , i own a 2014 . I Think Ford forced you to drink the KoolAid , that this is the best engine for a Raptor . The GEN2 HO engine is same HP you could easily get from a Gen 1 ecoboost with $2000 in Mods, tune , intercooler and exhaust. You are pretty much limited to around 500 hp without some serious modifications , bigger turbos , fueling. For 600+ HP a built engine is needed. If Ford would of put a 5.0 in the Raptor. You could easily have 700 hp with either a turbo kit or supercharger kit.

If people want a 700hp supercharged V8 F-150, Shelby has been putting one out for awhile and it is available through many Ford dealers. In fact, there are several gathering dust by me. But between their 6-figure price and lack of a practical purpose, they don't sell very well. And this is in an area where V6 Raptors were flying off lots at $90k not long ago.

Some people buy HP, other people buy performance. Hopefully Ford will continue focusing the Raptor on performance and avoid chasing cylinders and HP just to keep up with FCA's POS cars. The only time the Jenny needs more power is when street racing sloped foreheads like Truckzor. And hopefully Ford doesn't turn the Raptor into a street racing rig.

 

[SJRaptorG2]

I sure hope Ford puts a v8 into a raptor! Not for me but for those who are stuck in the “good old days”. I will buy whatever does the job better, whether it’s a v12 or full electric; just show me the stats/specs.

Right now a naturally aspirated (NA) v8 cannot compare to the G2 ecoboost unless it is turbocharged or supercharged. Of course ford can put in a very large, over 550hp NA v8, but that is not realistic for production, with the weight of a pickup and 35” tires it would be a ridicules gas guzzler, and for the ones who really go out into the desert, fuel range is a necessity. Advancements in engineering are producing small engines that outperform and are more economical than the old NA v8s. 2019 Silverado will have a 4cyl turbo and hybrid pick-ups are also coming. Forced air v8s will be the option for those who want a v8, but an ecoboost compares the same, so I would have to see what the difference in performance really is.

But I hope they put in a NA v8, just for those like my father in-law who still believe………

 

[Truckzor]

Your precious 7X V8 is being developed for tow-trucks and dump-trucks. The V6TT in my Raptor was designed to win Le Mans. My Raptor is a toy and I definitely know which engine I want in it. But if I ever need a tow-truck, I'll definitely look at the 7X V8.

As for cylinder count, it is plunging at an alarming rate. V12s are all but dead. Same with V10s. BMW, Mercedes, Aston Martin, Ferrari, Lamborghini and all the other high-performance, spare no expense auto brands are shedding cylinders like they are going out of style. V8TT is the new V12, just like V6TT is the new V8. Deny it all you want, but engine design is changing and the highest performance vehicles are all downsizing their cylinder counts and are far exceeding the performance of their bigger predecessors. Just ask any Gen1 owner who upgraded to a Jenny.

Meanwhile, back here in reality, the 3.5 EB was developed for the Ford Taurus. Not coincidentally, the V6 itself was developed and is best suited and most commonly used for front engine, front wheel drive passenger cars. Think Honda Accord.

The reason they don't put the EB in the super duty is because it is undersized and over stressed. It's just not a good truck motor. Really great in the Taurus, though.

Hey Truckzor, we get it.... you dont have a Gen2 Raptor. So why on the Gen2 Raptor forum??? Why are you here?

Why dont you just go away until the Raptor has a V8 again?

Better yet, just go away for good

I'm here on the Raptor forum in a thread someone else started about V8s and you want me to leave? Princess, you might be happier here...

GEN 2 FORD RAPTOR FORUM

Truckzor is pretty much the last one. Most of the jerkers left a while ago when the Gen II blew their old POS into the weeds.

Yes, I'm definitely the last one who wants a V8 in the Raptor.



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If people want a 700hp supercharged V8 F-150, Shelby has been putting one out for awhile and it is available through many Ford dealers. In fact, there are several gathering dust by me. But between their 6-figure price and lack of a practical purpose, they don't sell very well. And this is in an area where V6 Raptors were flying off lots at $90k not long ago.

Some people buy HP, other people buy performance. Hopefully Ford will continue focusing the Raptor on performance and avoid chasing cylinders and HP just to keep up with FCA's POS cars. The only time the Jenny needs more power is when street racing sloped foreheads like Truckzor. And hopefully Ford doesn't turn the Raptor into a street racing rig.

So the Jenny is better because it has more power. But Raptors don't need more power.

Jenny logic.



---------- Post added at 12:51 PM ---------- Previous post was at 12:49 PM ----------

Right now a naturally aspirated (NA) v8 cannot compare to the G2 ecoboost unless it is turbocharged or supercharged.

Guy, a 2006 7.0 liter LS7, with its decade plus old technology, puts out more power, weighs less, and would cost less to produce than your ecoboost.

Now imagine what Ford's new 7.3 liter could be capable of.

 

[jaz13]

Meanwhile, back here in reality, the 3.5 EB was developed for the Ford Taurus. Not coincidentally, the V6 itself was developed and is best suited and most commonly used for front engine, front wheel drive passenger cars. Think Honda Accord.

The reason they don't put the EB in the super duty is because it is undersized and over stressed. It's just not a good truck motor. Really great in the Taurus, though.

Hmmmmm. Best selling engine in the world's best selling truck. Either you are delusional, or the majority of F-150 buyers mistakenly believe their truck is a FWD sedan.

And you're right, the HO EB V6 is a terrible engine for a commercial tow-truck. Lucky for me, I don't drive a tow-truck.

Funny how every Gen1 owner who upgraded to a Jenny has gushed about how much more spectacular the Taurus motor is than their old tow-truck motor. It seems Ford is on to something here.