Installed "****** 9500ci Passport Ultimate Radar - Laser Defense System" on my Raptor

[Cerberos]

Yep like you I did get to test several and different radar guns... Radar took on average about 4 seconds to lock, lidar down to about 1 second, what does this mean? If you use the diffuser in jammer mode and get caught you will probably loose your vehicle... at the very least a ticket about the cost of one of these trucks.... So be careful and, to be honest hiding the diffuser makes more sense than to have it where it can be seen easily... But being able to turn it off quickly is just as important... Remeber when jamming your broadcasting in a police band while driving.... It jams constantly so be very aware of whats going on, keep the panic buttn in reach,,,,,

100% in agreement with you. That's also why my install is tied to one of my upfitter switches; quick and easy full shutdown. I keep looking at my steering wheel and wondering about about installing a kill button. For now, the technical difficulties with steering wheel would take to much time... for now...

 

[The Car Stereo Company]

do you have one of those?

i used to, but i also install a bunch of them for customers here at the shop. i will be putting it on the truck shortly.

 

[Mike Hammer]

This may sound stupid, but I heard in some states it is illegal to encase the license plate in any type of clear frame that covers it. You know like a picture frame type of thing to keep your plate clean.

Could the radar be why? It may hit wrong off the frame? Or was it just a tall tale. Any truth to it? And I know some states do not have front plates but some states do require them.

 

[Nick@Apollo-Optics]

If you use the diffuser in jammer mode and get caught you will probably loose your vehicle... at the very least a ticket about the cost of one of these trucks....

I just want to clarify something. Jamming radar is a big no-no because of FCC violations of causing harmful interference. With jamming LIDAR, you are using light to counteract light. And unlike radar, which is a radio frequency, laser is controlled by the FDA (Food & Drug Administration) so there are no laws against causing interference on the federal level. On the state level, some states have enacted laws against the use of laser jammers. In Texas, it is a class C misdemeanor and is punishable by a maximum fine of $500.

Source: http://www.guysoflidar.com/texas-laser-jammer-laws.html

 

[The Car Stereo Company]

usually no covers over the license plate is because it makes it harder to see. in daylight there could be glare off the cover that impairs the officers vision to get a correct reading on your plate. at least thats what i was told.....

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remember though, you are not jamming the signal, just altering it

 

[Cerberos]

This may sound stupid, but I heard in some states it is illegal to encase the license plate in any type of clear frame that covers it. You know like a picture frame type of thing to keep your plate clean.

Could the radar be why? It may hit wrong off the frame? Or was it just a tall tale. Any truth to it? And I know some states do not have front plates but some states do require them.

There are some plate covers that claim to blur or defuse photo-radar. Laser Veil and Specterguard come to mind. Both of these predated LIDAR and I have no idea of their effectiveness in defeating modern LIDAR. These types of covers also work on off-axis viewing, which may be more of a concern to law enforcement than any potential photo-radar application.

I know a few local municipalities that have enacted codes against photo blurring plate covers along with the visible light emitting systems that are also designed to combat photo radar.

 

[The Car Stereo Company]

remember mythbusters...... they did an episode regarding this. those clear covers that claimed to diffuse radar/laser, didnt do shit. and if you have anything that blurs your plate, you will get pulled over fairly quickly. as soon as a cop sees it, you got yourself a ticket

 

[Nick@Apollo-Optics]

If you were interested, here's another laser countermeasure. I've never used it but apparently it blocks infrared light from reflecting to the laser gun.

Laser VEIL to Avoid Speeding Tickets

 

[The Car Stereo Company]

i highly doubt that. look at the the f 22 raptor. it uses its shape and radar absorbant materials to deflect the radar signal. you mean to tell me that, that brush on application can absorb radar signals? the f 22 uses a computer to tell when its radar signature has been reduced. so does our government have less technology for radar diffusion than this company? why doesnt the military just buy a shitload of this and coat all their planes with it? wouldnt it be a lot cheaper than spending millions of dollars on the design of a stealth aircraft? and just brushing that stuff on the headlights and a few other parts is going to protect the whole car? i dont buy it at all

 

[Cerberos]

i highly doubt that. look at the the f 22 raptor. it uses its shape and radar absorbant materials to deflect the radar signal. you mean to tell me that, that brush on application can absorb radar signals? the f 22 uses a computer to tell when its radar signature has been reduced. so does our government have less technology for radar diffusion than this company? why doesnt the military just buy a shitload of this and coat all their planes with it? wouldnt it be a lot cheaper than spending millions of dollars on the design of a stealth aircraft? and just brushing that stuff on the headlights and a few other parts is going to protect the whole car? i dont buy it at all

You will get no debate from me that passive "radar" defense is nothing more than snake oil outside of the military defense industry. And active radar defense requires a substantial emitter and is illegal by federal law.

Radar detectors are neither passive or active. They are simply receptive devices. The perceived "passive" part of a radar detector is your vehicles brakes.

However, passive defense of LIDAR is not quite so cut and dry. In theory, its a fairly simple concept. Maybe the best way to demonstrate this is by example; all you need is removable diffuser from a camera flash and a visible light laser. Shine laser on a light colored wall and them move the diffuser over the beam and see what happens. The prisim effect you see in this example is an effective counter measure to any light emitting/laser device such as LIDAR.

However, here is where the leap from the theoretical to practical application gets difficult real quick. In theory, a lens over a license plate "may" be an effective diffuser for the license plate. But there are so many other factors that come into play such as the reflectivity and luminosity of the plate, the distance the lens is offset from the plate along with the power, angle and wavelength of the LIDAR beam. You would have to effectively design each license plate cover/lens to a specific application. Its just not feasible.

Now think about addressing those same obstacles in a thin film or spray on film application... more snake oil.

And as others have noted, any license plate cover or lens that blurs or diffuses your license plate will get you pulled over in a heart beat.