In need of help, advice and guidance..

[thatJeepguy]

Hi all,
I am desperately in need of advice if anyone can help. The long story short I ordered a 21 raptor in July and not with anything crazy just the regular wheels spray in bedliner moon roof and that was it. In December when I called for another update and I really pushed for it they said actually there was a problem your orders been converted to 2022 you need to change the color because I had picked Leadfoot, so I changed it to black they resubmitted the order same order number and everything no problem. Between December and now I’ve also called Ford and told them what was going on they told me no updates there’s no vin number yet but your dealership will be absolutely able to reach out to their resources to see and get an actual answer what the holdup is .We are now in March and I checked the dealers website they have a newly ordered raptor it says dealer ordered raptor 2022 which was placed in October which was already assigned a Vin nearly all the same stuff that I had picked but this one had a few additional add-ons and an auto stop start remove. I called my dealer and I spoke to my sales person who spoke to the only person in the dealership that does the orders for vehicles and pushed to find out what was the actual hold up. I said I already saw on the website they have one ordered the only person that orders they call him the ordering manager said there is no hold up he sees and I don’t know what to tell you and there’s no special number to call to get an update so what Ford told you was pretty much a lie. I told them to remove the auto start stop and remove the bedliner spray to see if that speeds up the process. I called Ford back Ford goes I don’t know why they would tell you that they dont have people that they can reach out to that maybe I need to speak to a finance manager or a general manager . Btw there is a admin fee of $10,000 tacked on to the MSRP and they charged me the difference in price from 21-22. Ive made a deposit of $10,000 in July already and I was told if I didn’t put more down in cash they were going to charge more as an administration or whatever you wanna call it the mark up fee. I’ve worked extremely hard and saved up for this truck that I have wanted for the longest time does anybody have any advice or another number or anything to help. Btw I am in NYC. Again I apologize I try to make it as short as possible and sorry for the rant.

Damn thats long.

 

[mitchellrick13]

Hi all,
I am desperately in need of advice if anyone can help. The long story short I ordered a 21 raptor in July and not with anything crazy just the regular wheels spray in bedliner moon roof and that was it. In December when I called for another update and I really pushed for it they said actually there was a problem your orders been converted to 2022 you need to change the color because I had picked Leadfoot, so I changed it to black they resubmitted the order same order number and everything no problem. Between December and now I’ve also called Ford and told them what was going on they told me no updates there’s no vin number yet but your dealership will be absolutely able to reach out to their resources to see and get an actual answer what the holdup is .We are now in March and I checked the dealers website they have a newly ordered raptor it says dealer ordered raptor 2022 which was placed in October which was already assigned a Vin nearly all the same stuff that I had picked but this one had a few additional add-ons and an auto stop start remove. I called my dealer and I spoke to my sales person who spoke to the only person in the dealership that does the orders for vehicles and pushed to find out what was the actual hold up. I said I already saw on the website they have one ordered the only person that orders they call him the ordering manager said there is no hold up he sees and I don’t know what to tell you and there’s no special number to call to get an update so what Ford told you was pretty much a lie. I told them to remove the auto start stop and remove the bedliner spray to see if that speeds up the process. I called Ford back Ford goes I don’t know why they would tell you that they dont have people that they can reach out to that maybe I need to speak to a finance manager or a general manager . Btw there is a admin fee of $10,000 tacked on to the MSRP and they charged me the difference in price from 21-22. Ive made a deposit of $10,000 in July already and I was told if I didn’t put more down in cash they were going to charge more as an administration or whatever you wanna call it the mark up fee. I’ve worked extremely hard and saved up for this truck that I have wanted for the longest time does anybody have any advice or another number or anything to help. Btw I am in NYC. Again I apologize I try to make it as short as possible and sorry for the rant.

Find another dealer - one who has a lot of experience with Raptors and sells a lot of them. They have a little more stroke than regular dealers in my experience. You are getting hosed by the dealer no doubt.

 

[dspangler]

Hi all,
I am desperately in need of advice if anyone can help. The long story short I ordered a 21 raptor in July and not with anything crazy just the regular wheels spray in bedliner moon roof and that was it. In December when I called for another update and I really pushed for it they said actually there was a problem your orders been converted to 2022 you need to change the color because I had picked Leadfoot, so I changed it to black they resubmitted the order same order number and everything no problem. Between December and now I’ve also called Ford and told them what was going on they told me no updates there’s no vin number yet but your dealership will be absolutely able to reach out to their resources to see and get an actual answer what the holdup is .We are now in March and I checked the dealers website they have a newly ordered raptor it says dealer ordered raptor 2022 which was placed in October which was already assigned a Vin nearly all the same stuff that I had picked but this one had a few additional add-ons and an auto stop start remove. I called my dealer and I spoke to my sales person who spoke to the only person in the dealership that does the orders for vehicles and pushed to find out what was the actual hold up. I said I already saw on the website they have one ordered the only person that orders they call him the ordering manager said there is no hold up he sees and I don’t know what to tell you and there’s no special number to call to get an update so what Ford told you was pretty much a lie. I told them to remove the auto start stop and remove the bedliner spray to see if that speeds up the process. I called Ford back Ford goes I don’t know why they would tell you that they dont have people that they can reach out to that maybe I need to speak to a finance manager or a general manager . Btw there is a admin fee of $10,000 tacked on to the MSRP and they charged me the difference in price from 21-22. Ive made a deposit of $10,000 in July already and I was told if I didn’t put more down in cash they were going to charge more as an administration or whatever you wanna call it the mark up fee. I’ve worked extremely hard and saved up for this truck that I have wanted for the longest time does anybody have any advice or another number or anything to help. Btw I am in NYC. Again I apologize I try to make it as short as possible and sorry for the rant.

I think your first bet is to post this in the gen 3 area. This is the R area where the v8 raptor is discussed.

Second recommendation is to just not buy anything right now. Prices are stupid, built quality and components are still having Covid issues, and as you see, prices are overinflated. It’s just a bad time to buy. Wait it out and buy later.

 

[smurfslayer]

I think your first bet is to post this in the gen 3 area. This is the R area where the v8 raptor is discussed.

Once the R is cancelled officially, what will we do with these sub-forums? Better leave the post here, actually.

It’s just a bad time to buy. Wait it out and buy later.

It’s going to get worse and some are saying a lot worse before it gets better. We’re going into a bear market and it won’t end overnight. Historically, I think 2 years is a realistic guess; and that’s exactly what it is, a guess. That said, look at how long stupid prices have lasted in previous bear markets. Let’s be real, Ford won’t bring a lot of high expense vehicles to market if there won’t be buyers lined up. We all want - well, most of us want the Raptor to be successful but if the market tanks, Ford will not be shy about pushing out low cost F150s with simple off road packages if they can move the trucks, as opposed to the Raptor with a 6 figure price tag- that’s where it’s headed.

 

[raptor556]

nah don't agree at all.

This market is being cause by a chip shortage. When chip production gets back to meeting demand all the ADM's and availability issues will go away. Everyone can take a guess when that will be.

During this time ford and the other manufacturers have purposely focused on high margin vehicles, namely loaded out F150's and such to maximize profit per vehicle. The raptor is a very high margin vehicle for ford.

The reality is that with the shortage of vehicles the manufacturers have pushed prices per vehicle up on purpose, not down. As you'll notice many options are now standard.

 

[smurfslayer]

Nothing at all wrong with a bit of disagreement.

This market is being cause by a chip shortage. When chip production gets back to meeting demand all the ADM's and availability issues will go away. Everyone can take a guess when that will be.

It’s not just a chip shortage, it’s blowback from stupid Covid polices (there were some smart ones, but that’s another topic), bifurcated economics of essential and nonessential for about 20 months, people who have exited the workforce in significant numbers resulting in both unemployment and underemployment, the cheapening of the dollar, which began long ago but has been raised to new heights with the ubiquitous covid subsidies and so called ‘relief funds’, material shortages other than chips, and dramatically increased cost of moving all goods.

During this time ford and the other manufacturers have purposely focused on high margin vehicles, namely loaded out F150's and such to maximize profit per vehicle. The raptor is a very high margin vehicle for ford.

I this is a misunderstanding of manufactured, vs. offered in the local markets. In NoVA F150’s are ubiquitous, but where I’m at in TX I see 3 super duty’s to every F150. Raptors are more common, but that’s not to say they’re seen a lot. Based on what I see in my local market, I may conclude that they were concentrating on getting work trucks out into the field. OTOH in a large urban market, I’d expect to see a bunch of Fusions, Fiestas, Escapes, etc. to cater to city folk. I don’t see the ’21 - ’22 Raptor numbers reflecting a focus on that model, or the other Ford Performance vehicles. Maybe someone has access to some hard numbers.

The reality is that with the shortage of vehicles the manufacturers have pushed prices per vehicle up on purpose, not down. As you'll notice many options are now standard.

That’s a cyclical trend with every model. Introduce a local cost model and pile on the option costs. As the model evolves and matures manufacturers assess what is selling and bundle it with other things to increase profit - a la moonroof required for a tailgate step.
I see the cost and option bundling as coincidental to the cost increases seen by everyone for lots of reasons.

I don’t think a sudden glut of chips is going to result in massive amounts of cars available 2-4 weeks down the road, as I see more than just electronic parts being affected.

 

[Blu21]

I hate to discourage anyone from buying a Raptor... well, except for prius drivers, but this is just a really, really bad time to want a Raptor, Bronco, Super Duty or pretty much any Ford. The Raptor is being overcharged almost everywhere. You’re looking at :

1) tough it out for who knows how long
2) abandon ship, place an order with a reputable stealership
3) abandon ship and find another vehicle.

Honestly, if I was Raptor shopping now, I wouldn’t be for long. This kind of market is not a good one to be shopping. it’s just not worth the frustration.

Plenty of decent Jen Too Raptors available, members here are selling, maybe check the garage sale forum.

I’m new here, what is this garage sale forum you speak of? Link by chance? Thanks!

OP- personally I’d wait 1-2 more years depending on what you’re driving rn and if it can make it that long. Or buy a similarly priced TRX at discount or even cheaper gen2 and to hold you over until the raptor R comes out and trade up to that or a regular one spec’d the exact way you want it in a closer to normal market.

 

[KM111587]

Quick update, The manager from the dealership called I was beyond prepared and with information of how they screwed up he was left stunned and speechless. He then offered me the vehicles that they had coming in after I was told they weren’t available and I couldn’t have either of them but if i did want one I would have to pay the difference because it had more options I said absolutely not I want my money back and I don’t trust you. He then called me back and told me the GM wants to know what he can do to fix this and what I’d be willing to pay for the vehicles again I told them nothing, after everything and being lied to I don’t trust them and I want my money back. Also I filed a complaint with the Better Business Bureau which is why I got my deposit back and they all of a sudden were so quick to be “nice”. I was also lucky enough to find a Gen 2 only 26000 miles barely a mark and pristine condition. And it wasnt over priced. Again I appreciate the help.

 

[dspangler]

Quick update, The manager from the dealership called I was beyond prepared and with information of how they screwed up he was left stunned and speechless. He then offered me the vehicles that they had coming in after I was told they weren’t available and I couldn’t have either of them but if i did want one I would have to pay the difference because it had more options I said absolutely not I want my money back and I don’t trust you. He then called me back and told me the GM wants to know what he can do to fix this and what I’d be willing to pay for the vehicles again I told them nothing, after everything and being lied to I don’t trust them and I want my money back. Also I filed a complaint with the Better Business Bureau which is why I got my deposit back and they all of a sudden were so quick to be “nice”. I was also lucky enough to find a Gen 2 only 26000 miles barely a mark and pristine condition. And it wasnt over priced. Again I appreciate the help.

I am confused - you are looking for an R to buy? They don't exist... yet. If it were me, I would take advantage of one of the 5.0 F150's they have have coming in and lease it for 2 years. Then, get the R since the market will have tanked by then.
Just a quick reminder, this is the R forum, so you probably want to move this post elsewhere to get the desired responses.

 

[toolmanglenn]

Go to Kaytes Ford in Warwick NY. $0 over MSRP. About an 1hour 15 minute ride once over the bridge.