I'll take a Raptor with a 5.0L please...

[FordTechOne]

I dont understand how you can undermine an entire company's engineering effort that went into making this product. Ford performance DIRECTLY works with Roush to develop this.

Do you not think they have engine dyno's where their product is durability tested for hours? Also, full powertrain dyno's where it's not just the engine, and the transmission and axles connected to the dyno to test out this 700 hp. If somethings going to break, it's going to be the weakest link.

You also disagreed with my opinion on another thread where I thought the 5.0L would be a better application in the Raptor.

I am all about choice, and the 5.0L should absolutely be an option the raptor. The buyer should be able to choose between either the 3.5 HO or the 5.0L. This opens up a better solution to the noise complaints of the v6, and also fixes the 5.2L high cost and markup issues that the R will suffer.

I’m not claiming they didn’t test it, but it’s extremely unlikely that it would pass OE engineering requirements. If it could, it would have been much cheaper and easier for Ford engineering to just increase the 5.0’s displacement to 5.2 and install a supercharger instead of developing the 5.2 Predator. Also note that they do not have the confidence in this kit to cover it under the factory powertrain warranty. I reviewed the warranty info (attached); any powertrain issues related to the kit are only covered for 3/36 through Ford Performance. They also have a lengthy list of exclusions and scenarios that can void the warranty, including towing.

Offering the 5.0 in the Raptor would make it less exclusive; you can get any other F-150 with a 5.0. Both performance and fuel economy would be degraded; it has significantly less torque than the 3.5, which is not suited to a heavy truck on 35’s. Basically the detriments far outweigh the only subjective improvement, which is the sound of the exhaust. Exhaust sound is now essentially a non-issue on Gen 3 with the new exhaust design.

 

[Pacific Wheel]

Basically the detriments far outweigh the only subjective improvement, which is the sound of the exhaust. Exhaust sound is now essentially a non-issue on Gen 3 with the new exhaust design.

I personally prefer the power delivery of N/A engines offroad over an F/I setup. Especially in 2wd. So not only sound. The gradual torque curve of N/A is better in slippery terrain IMO. Not saying F/I can't work well offroad but I think some people prefer N/A

 

[FordTechOne]

I personally prefer the power delivery of N/A engines offroad over an F/I setup. Especially in 2wd. So not only sound. The gradual torque curve of N/A is better in slippery terrain IMO. Not saying F/I can't work well offroad but I think some people prefer N/A

Fair point, I was basing my comments on an overall performance/efficiency perspective.

 

[dspangler]

But it doesn’t.

302 is a good choice for the Mustang, but less so for a 5700 pound truck. It doesn’t produces anywhere near as much peak torque as the 3.5TT and in N/A form getting it to produce that kind of torque would be a huge and certainly compromise the engine’s reliability. The 3.5 OTOH produces good, abundant torque and maintains it well.

FTO is pointing out that the 302 wasn’t designed from the jump to be forced induction, the 3.5TT was.

Do both engines have room for modifications to produce more power? sure. How much? Outside the “bolt on” window of relatively small increases in power, when you start replacing hard parts or putting on a power adder, reliability and durability is necessarily going to suffer.

Would it be nice if there was a 2nd power plant option for the Rap? Sure, but the 5.0 really isn’t an ideal choice. 7.3 could be, but it would depend on the tune given to it. You would have an easier time getting respectable torque out of the 7.3, but the top end in N/A form would be about where the 3.5TT is to maybe 500? - it has to run on regular gas, from Gnome, Alaska to Death Valley, CA hauling payload.

Hear us out on the 5.0. It’s NOT about power to those of us wanting that choice. I would buy a new raptor and feel good about it versus the ecoboost. To us, the 5.0 is a better application in this truck and in our minds has a better reliability track record. That’s our opinion- like it or not. I will never touch an ecoboost raptor, and I do understand the dupe many buyers into the marketing bliss of eco, turbo, whiz bangs. Again, not for us that would want the 5.0. I don’t care about mileage or power - just care about reliability.

 

[Blkshp18]

I’m sure it’s been mentioned her, but a 5.0 in a Raptor would make the truck too expensive. Although it’s a V6 twin turbo eco boost, it still produces a lot of power. Especially if properly tuned with added mods such as exhaust, upgraded Intercooler etc. It already has a lot of torque.

 

[Nex]

FTO can correct me if I am wrong, but pretty sure the 3.5TT was designed to replace the V8s due to government EPA gas mileage laws. Not based on what we want in said Raptor. Because if it were up to us, think we would all be driving street "legal" trophy trucks getting 1-2 mpg.

 

[FordTechOne]

Hear us out on the 5.0. It’s NOT about power to those of us wanting that choice. I would buy a new raptor and feel good about it versus the ecoboost. To us, the 5.0 is a better application in this truck and in our minds has a better reliability track record. That’s our opinion- like it or not. I will never touch an ecoboost raptor, and I do understand the dupe many buyers into the marketing bliss of eco, turbo, whiz bangs. Again, not for us that would want the 5.0. I don’t care about mileage or power - just care about reliability.

The reliability of an engine is not an “opinion” Sasquatch. You continue to make “reliability” claims with ZERO data to back it up. The EcoBoost offers better performance and efficiency, “like it or not”, those are the facts. You know nothing about engines or reliability, or seemingly anything for that matter. There are no “reliability” issues with the 3.5, the only issue is you constantly trolling this forum with your bull$hit.

 

[FordTechOne]

FTO can correct me if I am wrong, but pretty sure the 3.5TT was designed to replace the V8s due to government EPA gas mileage laws. Not based on what we want in said Raptor. Because if it were up to us, think we would all be driving street "legal" trophy trucks getting 1-2 mpg.

Not exactly, since it actually launched at the same time as the all-new V8 (Coyote), which continues to be offered in it's latest generation in the current truck. I would suspect that CAFE was definitely a factor in development, since even if EB ended up being a small percentage of total sales, it would still contribute toward a higher CAFE rating. Pickup buyers at the time were accustomed to a gas V8 being the "premium" engine choice across all brands; the 3.5 EcoBoost was an industry-first application. With the improved torque, towing capacity, and efficiency compared with the 5.0, it proved to be a huge success that I don't think even Ford saw coming.

 

[GCATX]

Hear us out on the 5.0.

"Us?" You got one of them baby sasqautch in your "they" pouch?

 

[Jakenbake]

Not exactly, since it actually launched at the same time as the all-new V8 (Coyote), which continues to be offered in it's latest generation in the current truck. I would suspect that CAFE was definitely a factor in development, since even if EB ended up being a small percentage of total sales, it would still contribute toward a higher CAFE rating. Pickup buyers at the time were accustomed to a gas V8 being the "premium" engine choice across all brands; the 3.5 EcoBoost was an industry-first application. With the improved torque, towing capacity, and efficiency compared with the 5.0, it proved to be a huge success that I don't think even Ford saw coming.

To tag along

For a truck doing truck things it checks a lot of boxes. The low end torque is certainly helpful. Reminds me of a diesel in that respect.

The mileage newer trucks are getting is big compared to even my 2006 dodge 5.7 that had the cylinder deactivation.

Side not that sounded real funny with a louder fatback exhaust….