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I'm picking up my truck tomorrow from getting a ceramic coating. My plan is to still run it through a touch less car wash where I clean it with a spray wand. So with that, do you recommend to not use there soap and go with a waterless cleaner?

Must admit, I'm not used to cleaning my vehicles any other way than doing the car war thing, so if you have a detailed recommendation on how to properly clean the vehicle that would be amazing. Product recommendations would be very helpful as well. I apologize if you already posted this, didn't see it in thr thread.

Questions:
Can you wash the truck too often and strip off the coating?
What's your recommended washing method? Details and steps would be amazing
What products would/do you use?

Edit additional question:
You mentioned wax above. Do you recommend to still wax the truck even after you get the coating?

The coin op car washes are fine just do NOT use their presoak. The regular soap shouldn't hurt anything. The presoaks are usually too aggressive and they will eat at your coating over time. You can also use a waterless wash at home if you want to. Less mess and its a lot quicker since you're not chasing water out of the seals and crevices all of the time but if you have the desire to two bucket was the truck do that instead. Do NOT use wax. I will include a list of recommend products. Use a spray sealant like CarPro's Reload that will give you the nice freshly waxed look but it will also protect your coating and extend its life. Not to mention its designed to work directly with your coating. Anything you apply over coating will take away the hydrophobic properties unless its designed to work with coating like Reload Sealant or some of the other brands. There is a TON of stuff like foam guns, wheel whoolies and little brushes and detailing sticks and thousands of other tools you can add to your collection over time but these are the basics you'll need. If you enjoy washing your truck I would recommend buying a foam gun to use with a pressure washer. Its not needed but it does put a super thick layer of foam on the truck which makes it even safer to hand wash. I would also recommend a little blower or using compressed air to help dry the truck. The less you touch the paint less likely you are to scratch it. And with a coated truck an air compressor or a blower will almost completely dry the truck without even touching it. The water just blows right off. After washing and drying before you apply sealant you'll want to use a product liked CarPro Eraser to remove any remaining residue before you apply sealant so its bonding to the naked coating for best results. Eraser just happens to be the best thing you'll ever use for cleaning glass in your life even though it wasn't designed to clean glass.

-Washing Products-
Buckets- http://www.detailedimage.com/wax.ph...essories-M12/35-Gallon-Bucket-P1103/White-S1/

Grit Guards for buckets- http://www.detailedimage.com/wax.ph...ge.com/Grit-Guard-M25/Grit-Guard-Insert-P119/

Wash Mitt- http://www.detailedimage.com/wax.ph...Long-Strand-Auto-Wash-Mitt-P608/Zero-Cuff-S1/

Soap- http://www.detailedimage.com/wax.ph...m/Chemical-Guys-M31/Maxi-Suds-P224/128-oz-S2/

CarPro Eraser- http://www.detailedimage.com/wax.ph...nsive-Oil-and-Polish-Cleaner-P603/1000-ml-S3/

Paint Decontamination Product. Use once or twice a year- http://www.detailedimage.com/wax.ph...arPro-M54/IronX-Iron-Remover-P600/1000-ml-S2/

Foam cannon- http://www.detailedimage.com/wax.ph...image.com/DI-Accessories-M12/Foam-Lance-P770/

AMAZING TOWELS for drying or applying sealant. Keep them segregated after you use them so wash towels don't wash with sealant towels.- http://www.detailedimage.com/wax.ph.../Double-Thick-Edgeless-Towel-P928/16-x-16-S1/

Sealant. Use once a month or so.- http://www.detailedimage.com/CarPro-M53/Reload-Spray-Sealant-P605/400-ml-S1/

Blower- http://www.detailedimage.com/wax.ph...tro-Vacuums-M11/Blaster-SideKick-Blower-P853/


-Washing-
(1) Rinse your bucket/grit guard really well and fill bucket with water about 60%. Add about 1oz of soap per gallon of water to the bucket and then fill the rest of the way up and make sure the soap has blended with the water. If you put soap in first and then fill most of your soap ends up on the ground. Put your grit guard in the second bucket and fill it with water.
(2) Try to wash the truck in the shade. Wash the truck at the car wash or rinse it off very well with a spray nozzle on your hose before you start. Start at the top of the truck washing the top and then working your way down to the sides. I like to do maybe 1/4-1/2 of a panel and then take the wash mitt and dunk it in the rinse bucket and shake it around so the dirt gets dislodged and then dunk your mitt back into the wash bucket again. 1/4 - 1/2 of a panel at a time and then dunk it in the rinse bucket again. While you're washing use straight lines with your wash mitt and very very light pressure. Wash the lower portion of the rockers last.
(3) Rinse from the top down and make sure to get all of the soapy water out of the door seals and cracks and crevices where it can hide. You don't want soap running out and then drying on your paint coating. After you get the soap washed off take the nozzle off of the hose and let the water just stream out of the host and it will make most of the water sheet off of the truck where it is a lot easier to dry.

-Drying-
(1) If you have the blower try to blow as much water off as possible. After that take a microfiber towel and then blow the water out of the seals into a microfiber towel. So hold the towel right in front of the blower and catch the water before it has time to run down the panel. Do that with all of the seals and cracks and crevices.
(2) Then pick up the remaining water with one of your towels with light pressure using straight motions with the towel. Sheeting the water off first with the hose will make a HUGE difference in the drying process. If you can buy the blower that will help too. Any time you can prevent touching the paint you're better off as that is less chance of you scratching the paint.

-Wheels-
(1) I like to clean the wheels first and then do the tires last. I scrub the tires with a product called Diamond Magic that is a gentle degreaser. On the wheels I just use the same soap I use on the paint just in a bit higher ratio. There is also a product by CarPro called IronX CarPro Iron X Iron Remover Cherry Scent - 500 ml | Free Shipping Available - Detailed Image that works really really well. You spray it on the wheels and let it sit for a few minutes and it will dissolve the brake dust and make most of the grime just rinse away and then you can hand wash it after that.
(2) Dry them in the same way you would dry the paint after you rinse them.
(3) If you want a little bit of shine on your tires I use CarPro Perl at a 1:1 ratio. It leaves them with a nice dark rich look but they aren't shiny and it doesn't rub off. Its water based too so no oily film. CarPro PERL Plastic Engine Rubber Leather Protectant - 500 ml | Free Shipping Available - Detailed Image

-Sealant-
(1) Spray your sealant on the paint liberally and then work it in with a towel in straight lines left to right and then go up and down to make sure its spread evenly. After that flip to a clean side of the towel or use a second towel to remove any residue. You can use Reload on your paint and glass and wheels. I wouldn't recommend it on the textured surfaces as it might be hard to make sure its completely leveled and not streaky. Apply Reload about once a month or so for the best protection of your coating.

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How much has everybody been paying for there ceramic coating?
I should be taking delivery in the next few weeks and will be calling on price/service quality. I just want some type of baseline to determine a fair price. I will be coating a SCAB, and the wheels. I assume 4 door crew cab will be slightly more?

$1,200-$1,600 is the average on what you'll pay to correct/coat the paint on a Raptor that doesn't need a ton of paint correction. If it has a lot of swirls, buffer trails etc. expect the price to be higher. The prices are pretty stable across the country too so that range should work everywhere and be close to what to expect. Coating the wheels cost an additional $300-$500 typically.

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5 years is a long time... aren't most coatings meant to last about a year or so?

Nobody knows how long a properly applied coating and maintained coating will last. Most customers aren't paying someone to properly wash their car everytime after coating so that is when you will see them only last a few years. If you're taking it back to the detailer who applied it for regular washes then it will certainly last years. Mine is just over a year old on my car now and I have very minimal marring and I have been using waterless wash for the last year. I haven't lost any of the coating properties even after using waterless.
 
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This is amazing feedback!! Thank you very much for putting this together. I would be so pissed off if I jacked up the surface after paying for the coating.

I'm a detail freak so this is right up my avenue for what I was looking for. Definitely worth getting the right products to maintain properly

Thank you Trimmell!
 
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This is amazing feedback!! Thank you very much for putting this together. I would be so pissed off if I jacked up the surface after paying for the coating.

I'm a detail freak so this is right up my avenue for what I was looking for. Definitely worth getting the right products to maintain properly

Thank you Trimmell!

No problem, man! I'm here to help. There is literally hundreds of items you can add that will continue to make your life easier and provide better results but I just listed the basics to get you started. Let me know if you have any other questions.
 

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Can you explain, or walk me thru "Dry Washing" procedure. Is there a point where the vehicle can bo too dirty to dry wash? Thank you!!!
 
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Can you explain, or walk me thru "Dry Washing" procedure. Is there a point where the vehicle can bo too dirty to dry wash? Thank you!!!

Do you mean waterless wash? I'll type up a detailed procedure that I use in my business for you later today if you're indeed talking about waterless.
 

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Yes, waterless wash. That would be much appreciated. Many thanks for taking the time to educate us!
 

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No wax over a coating? Curious to your reasoning for this. As a detailer also, Pinnacle and Wolfgang recommend their waxes can and if you'd like a 'warm' glow to do so. Wax wears off (pure carnauba with no cleaner) and most WOWO (wipe on, wipe off) waxes contain sealants more than anything else. Just curious. thanks and excellent write up!
 

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Trimmell what would you recomend for wheel protection. Salt and winter type corrision etc.
 
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Yes, waterless wash. That would be much appreciated. Many thanks for taking the time to educate us!

Alright. So, waterless wash.

Here are the products I use professionally in my business. They are the best I have tried by far or I wouldn't be using them.

-Waterless Wash CarPro EcH2o Concentrated Waterless Wash - 1000 ml | Free Shipping Available - Detailed Image

AMAZING TOWELS DI Microfiber Double Thick Edgeless Towel - 16"x16" Blue | Free Shipping Available - Detailed Image

CarPro's ECH2O is designed to be mixed at 1oz of concentrate to 16oz of water.

(1)Analyze your paint and see how dirty it is. Dusty, or film from driving in the rain are the perfect situation for waterless. If your truck is muddy or the paint has gritty debris on it I do NOT recommend waterless. You can still use waterless but you end up using a massive amount to make it safe. With waterless I can typically wash my car and wheels very thoroughly with one 16oz bottle of waterless wash without doing any damage.

(2) Fold your towel in half and then in half again. This will give you 8 clean sides to work with. Don't be afraid to use 5 towels on your truck. "Professionals" will tell you to only use a couple of towels. They are just cheap and don't want to wash towels. I would rather use a ton of towels and not take a chance on scratching the paint. I usually use 4-5 towels on customers cars. Laundry detergent is cheap and its not worth putting a customers finish at risk over a laundry detergent. As your towel gets dirty just flip to a new side. Use one side and then flip to the other and then refold the towel as needed.

(2) If your paint is indeed in the acceptable range of dirty for waterless wash start on the roof and spray a very liberal amount of waterless on the panel. As you're pulling the trigger sweep your arm quickly back and forth so you distribute it evenly and its not just in concentrated circles. You want it evenly distributed. Take your towel and grasp it from the end where all of the ends of the towel are so you're holding it closed where it won't unfold on you. Very very very very gently set the towel on the paint holding the ends together and wipe the perimeter of the panel and then gently wipe inside the perimeter using straight lines. If your paint is pretty dirty then flip the towel to a fresh side as needed. Washing towels is cheap. Wash the entire vehicle like this. You will have streaks after this step but that is 100% okay. You are trying to gently remove the dirt this step.

(4) After you have washed the entire vehicle once and probably went through 2-3 towels grab a fresh towel and lightly spray the roof making sure to sweep your arm so you evenly distribute the waterless wash again but much lighter this time. Wipe around the perimeter of the panel and then wipe the inside using straight lines and after you have wiped the panel flip to a clean side of the towel and remove any remaining residue. If you're washing a very dirty towel then wash the truck 3 times. Once very lightly, a second time very lightly and then on the 3rd time lightly mist the panel and remove your residue/streaks like described in the above text on this step.

Tips
-Mix at 1oz per 16oz of water.
-Use plenty of towels. Don't be afraid to wash them.
-Fold towels frequently keeping a fresh side on the paint
-Use lots of waterless wash so you have plenty of lubrication
-On your final wipe use a light coating of waterless wash so you can remove any remaining residue and have a streak free shine.
-Waterless can be used on glass but do NOT do it in direct sunlight and use just a little bit.

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No wax over a coating? Curious to your reasoning for this. As a detailer also, Pinnacle and Wolfgang recommend their waxes can and if you'd like a 'warm' glow to do so. Wax wears off (pure carnauba with no cleaner) and most WOWO (wipe on, wipe off) waxes contain sealants more than anything else. Just curious. thanks and excellent write up!

The largest selling points of coating
-Extreme hydrophobic properties
-Long lasting protection
-Resistance to scratches, contaminants, bird droppings and micro marring
-Very very easy to wash as the coating cures and is similar to glass where its very very slick and things don't like to stick to it.

When you add wax over the top of your coating you instantly lose the hydrophobic properties of your coating. Yes wax will streak water to a certain extent but NOTHING like bare coating or even a high quality sealant. Not to mention wax is a lot more work and you're a lot more likely to install swirls or scratches when you apply wax.

When you use a sealant like CarPro's Reload Sealant you're applying a sealant that not only is designed to work with your coating but it also adds protection to your coating extending its life, doesn't diminish the hydrophobic properties of your coating much and it also adds that nice glow that you get from freshly waxing your paint. Not to mention you can apply a sealant in 5 minutes with very little risk of damaging the paint. Wax is just old technology to be honest and sealants have more benefits and are easier to apply. Wax takes away from one of the biggest properties of coating and part of the reason you want coating is for how easy it is to wash. Wax will never be as slick of a surface as coating and that is what makes a coated vehicle so easy to wash.

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Trimmell what would you recomend for wheel protection. Salt and winter type corrision etc.

I would recommend coating your wheels with a product called CarPro DLUX or using a high quality sealant like CarPro's Reload Sealant You can also apply coating and use sealant on top of them occasionally for the best protection. When washing use a product like CarPro's Iron X and it will dissolve most of the iron and help loosen the contaminants and it will make them easier to wash and help prevent you scratching the wheels as the heavy contaminants are gone after Iron X.
Spray the wheel and let Iron X sit for a few minutes and then rinse it off very thoroughly. If the stuff starts to dry either spray it with more Iron X or rinse it off. Do NOT let wheel cleaners dry. They will destroy your wheels finish. If you're interested in coating your wheels yourself (easy to do) make sure to wipe them down first with a product like CarPro's Eraser to remove any remaining residue or oils so the coating is bonding to a naked surface. You can also use a 50/50 alcohol ratio but I prefer Eraser. Wheel Woolies will also make your wheel cleaning incredibly simple.



-CarPro DLUX
CarPro DLUX Plastic and Wheel Coating - 30 ml | Free Shipping Available - Detailed Image

-CarPro Eraser CarPro Eraser Intensive Oil and Polish Cleaner - 1000 ml | Free Shipping Available - Detailed Image

-CarPro Reload Sealant CarPro Reload Spray Sealant - 500 ml | Free Shipping Available - Detailed Image

-Wheel Woolies Wheel Woolies 3 Piece Kit | Free Shipping Available - Detailed Image

-CarPro Iron X CarPro Iron X Iron Remover Cherry Scent - 1000 ml | Free Shipping Available - Detailed Image
 
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I will be back in the midwest by the end of this coming week and I'll be doing mobile correction/coating and training from Kansas and down through Oklahoma, North Texas and over into Missouri and Arkansas.
 
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