shit. brand loyal? my truck is a ford. our grocery getter is a subaru, my drift and rally cars were mitsubishi, subaru, and nissan, my motorcycle is a suzuki, and my atv is a yamaha. i get what i like most. just happens ford fits my driving style for a truck.I can't comment on the offroad performance as I mentioned but Ram most certainly did not fall. The TRX sold like crazy and did so until the end. They may have failed in the desert but I think you're missing my point and going back and forth with a brand loyalist is hardly worth its time.