Ok, I have these springs installed. First on mid perch and now on bottom perch, and that is where they are going to stay. On mid they acted real similar to stock springs on top perch. They were a little less stiff than that and pogo'd a little less. But in my opinion still not a good ride on or offroad. On bottom they are in between the stockers on bottom and mid perch. Trust me, I wanted the front up higher that mid perch with these springs will give you, but the ride is not worth it. I am happy with them on bottom perch. So take it for what it's worth. I know others say they are good on mid, but I strongly disagree.
Had some new Progressive rate Spring made
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They build them. When I bought mine, UTV did not have any in stock, so they walked to Geiser Bros. and picked some up and brought them back. It literally took them 2 minutes. The Geiser shop is next door to UTV.
Thanks for the advice............BUT..........I expect more from the progressive springs than I would receive from just switching to 3.0's. It's more about the ride and yes I may go back to low perch when all is said and done. I hope to improve overall articulation with the UCA's which you can't get from the shocks alone and from what I have researched several folks feel the progressive springs with stock shocks were a better ride than 3.0's alone. We shall see my friend.
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Can you be a bit more specific. What exactly was so bad on the highway and off road? I sure would not want to have to go mid perch and then have to go back and drop them to lower perch a few days later. Just how "stiff" or bad is the ride on mid perch. I am most interested in your impressions.
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My springs have a label (King Springs Made in Australia Ford Raptor 19.5) That is all on the label. They are powder coated a light gray (what they are calling silver). Appear to be about 2 inches longer than stockers.
Towerhog
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The progressives I believe were designed to be used on the lower perch setting but since I didn't have a voice in their creation I cannot say for certain. So with that said lets take a look at progressive.
If the progressive spring was designed to operate on the lower perch then compressing the spring to work on the mid perch removes most of the softer section of the coil leaving the stiffer section to do all the work and thereby provides the harsher style stock ride.
No one can fault you for wanting the front of your truck higher or lower. To each his own and I have no say in your decision either way. If you want to use these progressives on mid perch then go right ahead but I would save my money and use the stock springs instead because thats the kind of ride you're going to get out of it.
If the progressive spring was designed to operate on the lower perch then compressing the spring to work on the mid perch removes most of the softer section of the coil leaving the stiffer section to do all the work and thereby provides the harsher style stock ride.
No one can fault you for wanting the front of your truck higher or lower. To each his own and I have no say in your decision either way. If you want to use these progressives on mid perch then go right ahead but I would save my money and use the stock springs instead because thats the kind of ride you're going to get out of it.
ntm
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You will achieve very little more articulation with the aftermarket uca. Mechanically you gain a very slight amount of droop travel before the uca binds, and need a 3.0 shock to take advantage of it.
If it were about the ride, you wouldn't be using a longer spring on mid perch.
There's no magic here, these are just springs. Larger dampers will give you more capability while retaining ride quality.
You made some good points. I may just drop it back to bottom perch and move on. I like the increased two inches above mid perch but looks like the ride may be just too harsh not to mention what I may or may not be doing to the other parts of the suspension. Thanks......
Towerhog
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As far as doing damage to other things in the suspension/drive system, I wouldn't worry about it. The suspension/drive system was designed to operated in that range of motion (stock that is).
Of course items will wear faster if left in the extremes of that range for any length of time. Oh and lets not forget, the front shocks are a bypass shock and are set to run at their optimum towards the stock height.
Now the progressives put the ride at about 3/4 to 1 inch above stock height while on the lower perch (your results may vary). So you're still going to be right around that sweet spot where the shock operates most efficiently.
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I agree with part of the statement above.
Yes the larger dampers will give you more capability but not necessarily retain the ride quality. Valving plays a major factor as well as the spring ft lbs. Too much or too little of either and the ride and handling are seriously affected. Manufactures provide a good starting point to these items but are in no way designed specifically to your particular needs. That is were the tuners come in. They work on spring rate and valving to give you what you're looking for.
Not everyones ass resets to zero when you buy this beast and will be happy with the same mods. 3.0's may be the cats ass for one person but a nightmare to another. Its all about what feels good to you when you drive it.
Of course items will wear faster if left in the extremes of that range for any length of time. Oh and lets not forget, the front shocks are a bypass shock and are set to run at their optimum towards the stock height.
Now the progressives put the ride at about 3/4 to 1 inch above stock height while on the lower perch (your results may vary). So you're still going to be right around that sweet spot where the shock operates most efficiently.
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I agree with part of the statement above.
Yes the larger dampers will give you more capability but not necessarily retain the ride quality. Valving plays a major factor as well as the spring ft lbs. Too much or too little of either and the ride and handling are seriously affected. Manufactures provide a good starting point to these items but are in no way designed specifically to your particular needs. That is were the tuners come in. They work on spring rate and valving to give you what you're looking for.
Not everyones ass resets to zero when you buy this beast and will be happy with the same mods. 3.0's may be the cats ass for one person but a nightmare to another. Its all about what feels good to you when you drive it.
Amen to that Towerhog.
At least two folks who had the 3.0's took them off for these progressive springs and feel the ride is better than with the 3.0's. I can't speak to that but I do think I may just run at lower perch after all. Not asking for more trouble and since you get approx. 2 inches of lift with the springs I am in the same ball park as mid perch. Thanks for you reasonable advice.
Towerhog
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I was one of those that went:
Stock spring to mid perch.
then, RPG FOX 3.0.s
Finally, progressives on lower perch.
Doing all that to find that ride that I was looking for. Wish I had known at the beginning what I know now. Would of save me a butt load of mooola.
Stock spring to mid perch.
then, RPG FOX 3.0.s
Finally, progressives on lower perch.
Doing all that to find that ride that I was looking for. Wish I had known at the beginning what I know now. Would of save me a butt load of mooola.
I think all of us could say that at one time or another. That is why I appreciate this forum and all the diverse opinions shared here.
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