GEN3 Buyback case has been opened.

[MKW1456]

Modifying internal module configurations can result in a multitude of glitches and system failures, as many users on here have experienced. Network communication issues, inoperative/incorrect lighting, battery drains, the list goes on. But once again you know absolutely nothing, so you assume your mods are the manufacturer’s fault. You need to just stop, you’re making a fool of yourself.

I’m playing the devil’s advocate. You are giving your completely biased opinion on the OPs truck without ever looking at it or trying to diagnose the issues.
This is a microcosm of a bigger issue with manufacturers who will go out of their way to fault the owner when their poorly manufactured/engineered product creates a problem.
It’s the whole “guilty” until proven innocent conundrum.
Why do you always assume it’s the mods causing the issues? In the OPs situation the timing to suggest that doesn’t even make sense.

 

[Luchh224]

It’s a “very obvious” thing to install aftermarket parts on a brand new vehicle? The grille shudders are monitored by a smart motor. It measures position and networks that data back to the PCM. If you don’t know how these systems work, why would you assume and then complain when you mess things up? That makes zero sense.

so what you’re saying is that the plastic fins that are in place still currently are not being read positionally then? If when the truck starts up and the fins still currently in place go through their routine and constantly SnapBack, that would then mean that the computer completely ignored the fact that there are still fins positioned in there by your logic and would only real correctly of all the fins are in place, which wouldn’t make logical sense to have a system run that way since there are still fins in place that could be read for positional data for the computer to go “oh, you have fins here, I am moving them and see what there position is”. And again, why would so be fine for a month and a half and then have the issue start up?

If I am having electrical issues, it would happen every time I start the truck, but it doesn’t, it’s like a 50/50 toss up of when the truck starts it’s vent snap back routine.

Same goes for the gauge reset, if it was electrical in nature, and there was an open or a ground or a short, the system would be on the fritz everytime I operate the truck in some way. This really seems like an internal systems issue more than anything, gauge cluster and truck reset wise.

 

[Luchh224]

I’m playing the devil’s advocate. You are giving your completely biased opinion on the OPs truck without ever looking at it or trying to diagnose the issues.
This is a microcosm of a bigger issue with manufacturers who will go out of their way to fault the owner when their poorly manufactured/engineered product creates a problem.
It’s the whole “guilty” until proven innocent conundrum.
Why do you always assume it’s the mods causing the issues? In the OPs situation the timing to suggest that doesn’t even make sense.

Speaking about timing, I think I posted this elsewhere in the thread, but people seem to be going on about this ACC relocation portion so I wanted to shine some light on this.

Per ADDs directions, the adaptive cruise control module should go basically right on the edge of the grill bolted in to the grill. When I did this relocation, the truck didn’t like it. It alerted me that it was obstructed, and told me it was going to shut down the ACC feature as well as some advanced safety options.

I then talked to another member who relocated their ACC module to the middle ish of the grill, so that’s what I did, and I have had exactly 0 issues with any advance safety feature of driver convincer feature, so clearly the ACC is working just fine as well as all my safety equipment. My bumper sensors both front and rear work perfectly and all of my cameras are functional and online. The timing between me relocating my plate to its current position and the problems arising are around 45 days, so a month and a half of operations without issue on anything.

I appreciate you being able to see from my side what I’m talking about rather than jumping down my throat like I rewired the entire truck and then was shocked when things went wrong.

 

[FordTechOne]

I’m playing the devil’s advocate. You are giving your completely biased opinion on the OPs truck without ever looking at it or trying to diagnose the issues.

No, you’re making assumptions that OPs issues are unrelated to mods. Basic diagnostic process…and common sense…dictate that you eliminate the outside variables before beginning diagnostics or condemning a system/component.

This is a microcosm of a bigger issue with manufacturers who will go out of their way to fault the owner when their poorly manufactured/engineered product creates a problem.
It’s the whole “guilty” until proven innocent conundrum.
Why do you always assume it’s the mods causing the issues? In the OPs situation the timing to suggest that doesn’t even make sense.

I’m not sure why this is so hard for people to understand. The manufacturer warrants the product as they built it. Not as you modified it. All factory diagnostic information and testing is based off of the vehicle in factory configuration. Adding any aftermarket modification to a system is a variable that is not accounted for in the factory service information.

So in the case of OP’s grille shutters for example, the pinpoint test would mislead to actuator motor replacement, since it can’t complete calibration. The test does not account for OP’s missing shutters, because that’s an outside variable. Hence why things go down the rabbit hole when modifications are involved.

 

[FordTechOne]

so what you’re saying is that the plastic fins that are in place still currently are not being read positionally then? If when the truck starts up and the fins still currently in place go through their routine and constantly SnapBack, that would then mean that the computer completely ignored the fact that there are still fins positioned in there by your logic and would only real correctly of all the fins are in place, which wouldn’t make logical sense to have a system run that way since there are still fins in place that could be read for positional data for the computer to go “oh, you have fins here, I am moving them and see what there position is”. And again, why would so be fine for a month and a half and then have the issue start up?

You induced the outside variable by modifying the shutters without understanding how the system works. It could have taken a month before it finally lost calibration due to the missing shutters. Everything you’re claiming is an assumption. These are not problematic systems, return it to stock and re-evaluate instead of using flawed logic to try and explain how your mods can’t cause the problem.

If I am having electrical issues, it would happen every time I start the truck, but it doesn’t, it’s like a 50/50 toss up of when the truck starts it’s vent snap back routine.

Same goes for the gauge reset, if it was electrical in nature, and there was an open or a ground or a short, the system would be on the fritz everytime I operate the truck in some way. This really seems like an internal systems issue more than anything, gauge cluster and truck reset wise.

Seriously? The majority of electrical and electronic issues are intermittent. That is why they are often difficult to diagnose and pinpoint; the concern needs to be duplicated.

It’s entirely possible there is a circuit or component fault unrelated to your mods that is causing the gauge cluster to reset. But to make excuses that your modifications can’t possibly have anything to do with your issues is naive, and to take it to the level of “buyback” is ridiculous.

 

[MattR]

Brave of you to post here. All these Raptor enthusiasts will rip into you because it must be your fault in some obscure way that your truck is a POS.

I mean, seriously, there is a topic with hundreds of pages regarding “what did you do to your raptor today”. Hope these posters realize they are doomed if anything unrelated goes wrong with their truck. I’d feel the same way if I was the OP. The constant defense of a car manufacturer who has a bad product/lemon is nauseating.

To be honest, I would still get another one if this one is bought back and I can find it for MSRP. I love the truck but just think this was a Friday truck or something.

My stuff is all liveable, but just frustrating for the most expensive truck I’ve ever bought. My last Raptor had 92k on it and only went in for Cam Phasers. Outside the actual issues with this 23, the QC is horrible. Big scratch on the dash from install I guess, panels are out of square and gaps don’t match. Paint isn’t great and orange peel in a few spots. One bed rail cap has such a bad bow in it that you could slip a quarter under it. Tailpipes not level.

I had my one dealing with Ram and it left me stranded outside Laredo with a grenaded rear end and they were horrible to deal with so I guess it’s just the domestic industry.

 

[MattR]

No, you’re making assumptions that OPs issues are unrelated to mods. Basic diagnostic process…and common sense…dictate that you eliminate the outside variables before beginning diagnostics or condemning a system/component.

I’m not sure why this is so hard for people to understand. The manufacturer warrants the product as they built it. Not as you modified it. All factory diagnostic information and testing is based off of the vehicle in factory configuration. Adding any aftermarket modification to a system is a variable that is not accounted for in the factory service information.

Isn’t that how it’s supposed to work? Assume mods didn’t cause the problem unless you can prove it is the sole cause?

 

[FordTechOne]

I have no doubt it's discoverable and potentially warranty-voiding, but I would find it hard to believe it rises to the level of forensic specialists.

Those were MKW1456’s words. Obviously not the case, it’s just a change in the module configuration data.

Forscan in general seems shady at its core. We are essentially trusting Russian hackers with our truck's electronics?

I suppose that’s one way to put it.

 

[Donovan]

Hell going on here? Is the truck getting fixed or not?

 

[FordTechOne]

Isn’t that how it’s supposed to work? Assume mods didn’t cause the problem unless you can prove it is the sole cause?

You can’t be serious.