Gen 2 to Gen 1.

[cgibs89]

Hahahahaha another true realist.

And to be 100% fair- I promise I’d put a ford rear end in there lol!!

Do people not realize that if I am a “GM Ls/LT fanboy” & personally have owned 9 GM V8 powered vehicles including 5 GM trucks that by adamantly defending/choosing this gen 2 Raptor & begrudgingly admitting the EB platform is legit that, “you’ve won” - if that victory comes by way of admitting that Ford V8s suck, you can’t do it. That’s fine.

Keep On hoping Ford will flush their entire game plan down the toilet & start trying to compete again w/ GM & Mopar & Toyota in the V8 wars. It’s gonna happen. I’m sure of it. I mean....they’ll probably put a V8 in their heaviest/largest most luxurious Navigator SUV first to start right? That would make the most sense. Yep.

Nope, they don't want to invest in V8's what so ever.

https://www.thedrive.com/news/31704...nger-raptor-with-5-0-liter-mustang-v-8-report

Oh wait.

In all honesty, I think with the right attention, from the right motor people, ford's new godzilla motor ( laughable name btw), could be a hot rodder fav just like the the 428 ended up being. Both begin life as a truck motor, both can make big power.

That being said, why in god's name would any sane individual choose to r&d new go-fast parts for a motor that is to be used in endurance type racing/adventure? ( at least anyone that doesnt have ford factory support and bankroll)

Until there is something that can make really reliable power on ****** Mexican 91 than an LS or LT, I'm sticking to my gameplan.

p.s. - you can find almost ZERO in parts or sensors for raptor ecoboosts in Mexico. Hell, you can't even find a brake booster for a 2012 raptor in Mexico. ( yes, a small army of us tried to find one ANYWHERE on the northern half of Baja. No dice.

need a set of heads, or literally every sensor ever made for an LS? Every AutoZone has them.

Here's the thing, I'm a GM nut hugger. GM's V8s are far superior while still using "old school" cam-in-block motors than anything Ford has ever created. But for all these people claiming the ecoboost is super reliable, the best thing to ever happen to the Raptor, and "I'd never go back to a Ford V8 ever" this proves every Gen1 nutswinger's argument. You would rather put in another manufacturer's motor than deal with that pile of shit ecoboost. Everyone here also knows every gen2 will be sold by every single one of you Gen2 owners before the warranty is up because you don't want to deal with failing phasers and turbos out of warranty. Deny it all you want, you know that to be true. While I stand here as a gen1 owner and said and will continue to say, I have no qualms about owning a gen1 out of warranty and am about to do so. I wouldn't touch any used Gen2 specifically from this website with any of your *****.

 

[zombiekiller]

Nope, they don't want to invest in V8's what so ever.

https://www.thedrive.com/news/31704...nger-raptor-with-5-0-liter-mustang-v-8-report

Oh wait.



Here's the thing, I'm a GM nut hugger. GM's V8s are far superior while still using "old school" cam-in-block motors than anything Ford has ever created. But for all these people claiming the ecoboost is super reliable, the best thing to ever happen to the Raptor, and "I'd never go back to a Ford V8 ever" this proves every Gen1 nutswinger's argument. You would rather put in another manufacturer's motor than deal with that pile of shit ecoboost. Everyone here also knows every gen2 will be sold by every single one of you Gen2 owners before the warranty is up because you don't want to deal with failing phasers and turbos out of warranty. Deny it all you want, you know that to be true. While I stand here as a gen1 owner and said and will continue to say, I have no qualms about owning a gen1 out of warranty and am about to do so. I wouldn't touch any used Gen2 specifically from this website with any of your *****.

I've been out of "warranty" on my truck for 18 months easily. ( when I started cutting shit off the truck and welding new things to the truck.) I haven't sold it yet. Don't ever intend to.

It might be funny for a goof to roll my truck, on 40s into a dealer just to see if I could get a dealer to warranty ANYTHING on the truck.

But, its cool man. when I destroy the EB in the truck and dump something downright ridiculous, like a mercury racing sb4 in my truck then we can have a subsequent conversation about how every single gen2 owner will sell before the warranty expires.

let me put it to you like this:

I've tried hard, really hard to blow up the motor in my truck. I'm one of those realists that understands that as soon as I started doing serious modifications to my truck, I'd be on my own when things fail. ( and I'm in a happy place with that reality).

So far I've :

- managed to dump every ounce of coolant out of the truck in 128-degree ambient temps, 100 miles from nowhere after hitting north of 265 degrees.
- sheered all 4 turbo studs and cracked the turbine housing on the passenger side turbo
- completely clogged the entirety of the fuel system with crappy Mexican 91 octane gas
- wore a hole in the intake tube the size of a baseball ( and it was on the underside of the tube, so I drove it for 3000 miles before I found it)
- caked an air filter to the point that it looked like brown cardboard.

now, this is down-right ABUSE.

Guess what? I repaired all of the crap myself. The motor still runs strong and out pulls a supercharged gen1.

Out of the 28K on the odometer. 18K is pure dirt mileage. I am not nice at all to the truck. I use it as God intended.

This is the second EB f-150 that I've had. I haven't had an issue.

that being said, the motor isn't my personal preference, and it would get replaced with something else that Id rather have because it is my money.

I wouldn't call the EB ******.

 

[Kuan]

why not put another ecoboost in it when the current one expires? If you are Ok with it now, why would you replace it with anything but another ecoboost?

 

[quikag]

I'm a long-time GM guy and love the GM V8 engines and do believe they are far superior overall than Ford V8 engines. I think Ford implicitly understood this so rather than trying to fight a losing battle making a V8 as good as the GM V8 engines, they went to the Ecoboost route. The Coyote engines are okay, but they just aren't as good overall as the LS/LT series GM engines. It's just a fact if you look at all the objective data. The LS/LT engines are just amazing, compact, powerful, fuel efficient, and reliable power plants. I still own a 2010 ZR1 with the LS9 that I have beat to hell and back at track days and around town the past 9 years I've owned it. Still runs like it's brand new. Just an amazing engine...

My 2019 Raptor is my first Ford vehicle I've ever owned, so Ford did finally entice me to come over and dip my toe in the Ford water after owning 10+ new GM vehicles to date. I've owned several 6.2 V8 GM SUV's and trucks and do prefer them to the Ecoboost V6. I would take an L86 6.2 GM V8 over the 3.5HO in my Raptor if given the choice. That said, as I mentioned early in this thread, the 3.5HO isn't a bad engine and I do like the strong mid-range torque. You don't have to rev it up to get good thrust around town. Also, hate to admit it, but the rest of the Raptor truck is definitely superior overall to the GM trucks I've owned including the 2018 Sierra 6.2 Z71 crew cab I traded in on the Raptor. Besides the engine, the Raptor is just better.

The old 6.2 engine in the Gen 1 Raptor is a decent engine, but I think the main reason we all think fondly back to that engine is the sound. V8's just sound better than V6's period. end of story. If it didn't sound good, I think 99% of people would prefer a Gen 2 to a Gen 1 because the Gen 2 has a lot of very substantial upgrades and improvements over the Gen 1.

Anyway, beating a dead horse. I did buy the 8yr/125k $0 deductible Ford ESP warranty from Ford so if the Ecoboost does pop, I'm covered.

 

[EricM]

Oh shit- look! It's another GM fanboy preaching the love and kindness that is all things LS, and deriding the evil and demonry that lurks within Ford V8 engines.

LS engines are good engines, but they have had plenty of issues over the years. Oiling issues have been there since day 1. Variants in the family have had lifter issues, cam bearing issues, DOD problems, blah blah. You know, just a bunch of persistent issues with parts that Ford V8's doesn't even have. While the heads flow nicely, the reliability of their various methods of opening and closing the valves is questionable. Granted, "LS" covers a bunch of engines so there's lot of opportunities for problems, but it ain't all green grass over there.

 

[Badgertits]

I'm a long-time GM guy and love the GM V8 engines and do believe they are far superior overall than Ford V8 engines. I think Ford implicitly understood this so rather than trying to fight a losing battle making a V8 as good as the GM V8 engines, they went to the Ecoboost route. The Coyote engines are okay, but they just aren't as good overall as the LS/LT series GM engines. It's just a fact if you look at all the objective data. The LS/LT engines are just amazing, compact, powerful, fuel efficient, and reliable power plants. I still own a 2010 ZR1 with the LS9 that I have beat to hell and back at track days and around town the past 9 years I've owned it. Still runs like it's brand new. Just an amazing engine...

My 2019 Raptor is my first Ford vehicle I've ever owned, so Ford did finally entice me to come over and dip my toe in the Ford water after owning 10+ new GM vehicles to date. I've owned several 6.2 V8 GM SUV's and trucks and do prefer them to the Ecoboost V6. I would take an L86 6.2 GM V8 over the 3.5HO in my Raptor if given the choice. That said, as I mentioned early in this thread, the 3.5HO isn't a bad engine and I do like the strong mid-range torque. You don't have to rev it up to get good thrust around town. Also, hate to admit it, but the rest of the Raptor truck is definitely superior overall to the GM trucks I've owned including the 2018 Sierra 6.2 Z71 crew cab I traded in on the Raptor. Besides the engine, the Raptor is just better.

The old 6.2 engine in the Gen 1 Raptor is a decent engine, but I think the main reason we all think fondly back to that engine is the sound. V8's just sound better than V6's period. end of story. If it didn't sound good, I think 99% of people would prefer a Gen 2 to a Gen 1 because the Gen 2 has a lot of very substantial upgrades and improvements over the Gen 1.

Anyway, beating a dead horse. I did buy the 8yr/125k $0 deductible Ford ESP warranty from Ford so if the Ecoboost does pop, I'm covered.

Pretty much sums my feelings up 1000% as well. I am jealous of the ZR1 though, was on my "want" list & was trying to convince myself of selling my current built C5Z + polaris quad + cash to get a nice one, but DAMN do they hold value. It got to where the new C7's made more sense w/ a warranty, including the Z06 (especially NOW) vs. shelling out that kinda coin for a used ZR1 (despite the fact I think its a better made vehicle than the C7s). Wound up getting the Raptor instead b/c my last '15 Sierra 6.2 got totaled by a deer lol - had to take the cash set aside for new "toy" car & instead replace my DD truck.

Would I prefer a GM V8 in this Gen 2 Raptor if I could have it? Sure. Would I want a Ford V8, new or old, no....they don't show confidence in it, why should I lol??

Tell ya what tho, after tooling around in my Raptor w/ a GH tune now for a few months....I could SERIOUSLY consider a new Mustang if it had the HO 3.5 instead of the Coyote 5.0 or Voodoo 5.2 despite the sound, a tuned HO 3.5 in the Mustang would be NASTY

 

[quikag]

Oh shit- look! It's another GM fanboy preaching the love and kindness that is all things LS, and deriding the evil and demonry that lurks within Ford V8 engines.

LS engines are good engines, but they have had plenty of issues over the years. Oiling issues have been there since day 1. Variants in the family have had lifter issues, cam bearing issues, DOD problems, blah blah. You know, just a bunch of persistent issues with parts that Ford V8's doesn't even have. While the heads flow nicely, the reliability of their various methods of opening and closing the valves is questionable. Granted, "LS" covers a bunch of engines so there's lot of opportunities for problems, but it ain't all green grass over there.

I wasn't trying to imply the LS/LT engines are infallible because they aren't. Hell, it's General Motors we are talking about. Haha. But, it probably is one of the things GM does best and they have continued to refine the smallblock into the amazing engine it is, really starting back with the LS1. They've had a few misteps along the way, but by and large, it's probably the best overall mass produced V8 engine on the planet. And yes, I am a fanboy. I've had numerous GM vehicles with a LS/LT engine and I've loved every single one of them. Zero issues with all of them besides maybe a very small amount of oil consumption occasionally which isn't a big deal IMHO. 2001 LS1 Vette, 2001 GM 6.0 2500HD, 2004 Silverado 5.3, 2008 LS3 Vette, 2010 ZR1 LS9 (still have), 2012 CTS-V LSA, 2016 Camaro LT1, 2018 6.2 Sierra. I probably missed a few. Immediate family has had a bunch more with zero issues. I'm the black sheep now with my Raptor. haha.

Ford V8 engines aren't bad per se, they just aren't as good as GM V8 engines overall. I'll argue that until I'm dead. That said, I do want to try that new 5.2L supercharged engine in the new GT500. That thing looks like a freaking monster.

 

[EricM]

Ford V8 engines aren't bad per se, they just aren't as good as GM V8 engines overall.

GM trucks aren't bad per se, they just aren't as good as Ford trucks overall.

When I bought my Raptor, I wanted to buy a nice truck and keep it long term. I don't daily drive it, and it never sees salt. So I purchased the best overall truck- the F150. The best option package on the F150 is the Raptor, clearly. So my choice at the time (early 2016) was the upcoming '17 Raptor or a used '13/'14 Raptor. One had a super high strung complex engine, and the other was the polar opposite. Alas, I didn't see any GM LSx engines in the Raptors on the lots. If I had planned to buy new every 5 years, I'd 100% have gone for the 2017 and the bunches of extra power (and accompanying horrible exhaust noises) it brings with it, and let Ford fix it if it craps out. That's was not my plan though. So far, so good. I've had it three years, it's around 55K miles, and I've had no issues with it other than my steering rack is starting to leak on one side a bit.

 

[zombiekiller]

why not put another ecoboost in it when the current one expires? If you are Ok with it now, why would you replace it with anything but another ecoboost?

If I'm going to spend my money on replacing a blown motor, I really don't get excited about dropping 25-30K to get the performance numbers that I'd want out of an EcoBoost.

I'd rather drop my 30K on a 750hp naturally-aspirated v8.

Forced induction comes with a whole bunch of supporting systems that to me are just more stuff that will potentially break. Wringing 750hp out of even a 4.2 stroker EcoBoost with g25-660s on it while using 91 octane pump gas is a REALLY tall order.

And no, I'm not trying to figure out how to get enough c16, 100 octane, 98 octane or even 93 octane into Mexico to complete a 1500 mile desert run through Baja, so 91 is it!

 

[quikag]

GM trucks aren't bad per se, they just aren't as good as Ford trucks overall.

When I bought my Raptor, I wanted to buy a nice truck and keep it long term. I don't daily drive it, and it never sees salt. So I purchased the best overall truck- the F150. The best option package on the F150 is the Raptor, clearly. So my choice at the time (early 2016) was the upcoming '17 Raptor or a used '13/'14 Raptor. One had a super high strung complex engine, and the other was the polar opposite. Alas, I didn't see any GM LSx engines in the Raptors on the lots. If I had planned to buy new every 5 years, I'd 100% have gone for the 2017 and the bunches of extra power (and accompanying horrible exhaust noises) it brings with it, and let Ford fix it if it craps out. That's was not my plan though. So far, so good. I've had it three years, it's around 55K miles, and I've had no issues with it other than my steering rack is starting to leak on one side a bit.

I don't disagree with anything you said above. Ford definitely knows how to build trucks which is why I finally bought one. I totally understand your logic and might have done the same given your circumstances. I went ahead and got the new '19 along with a long Ford ESP 8yr/125k $0 deductible warranty for sleep at night comfort. This will be a big test for Ford as far as me and my family are concerned. If the truck ends up awesome, I could slowly morph to a Ford guy (I will still buy Vettes though!) If it's a POS, I'll go back to GM (and other brands) and probably never buy a Ford again. I do know people that have done the exact same thing just the other way around. They have a bad GM vehicle experience (and there are plenty out there!) and say "Screw GM forever." I get it. I've had good overall GM experiences so far so I still like GM.

All said, my Raptor has been great to date, albeit only 7,500 miles at this point. I did have excessive oil consumption about a thousand miles ago with a few quarts down at 6,200 miles. Dealership was great though and did a full synthetic swap for free and told me to keep an eye on it. If any issues continue, they will do the oil consumption TSB and we will evaluate from there. We shall see, but otherwise Raptor has been perfect and I'm very happy with it (besides the exhaust sound. ) .