Full Cantilever Rear = 20" Usable Rear Wheel Travel

[Rogue Racing]

Doug - I'm treading on dangerous territory asking these questions, and my bank account is hoping for bad news (it's mad at me at the moment).

So I have:

FRONT - Icon 3.0 coilovers, RPG UCAs and LCAs, RPG tie rods, Fox 3.0 secondary bypass shocks (dual shock setup)

REAR - Icon 3.0's, RPG frame support and bump stops, and Deaver +3 springs

Will all of this work with the cantilever kit? In an email I sent you last week, you mentioned the Icons would work - but might need a dog bone. Here are the specs I found on Raptor shocks from the three vendors. I'm not sure what "length" the Icons are considered (it looks like they have 7" of travel). Does that mean I need 5" dog bones?




Also, I hear bolt on - but I also hear cutting. Is there any welding required? Anything special I would need to do with the Deaver +3 springs? Is this a DIY project? How much extra work is involved if I leave the bed in place?

I did the Icon install front and rear. But the LCAs and secondary front shocks were done by my shop (because of the welding). It was a VERY expensive install because the top shock mounts need special fitting and welding.

Here's a great deal for both of us: You can wrap my truck with Rogue Racing and I will be a billboard for your company - and you can give me the cantilever kit and install it, all for free. It's a win-win!! Plus I lived a few blocks from your shop for 12 years - we're both Hendersonites.

I need to come to Vegas anyway to pick up a gun from the Vegas Police evidence locker (the stupid thief finally got busted and happened to still have my stolen Walther from 5 years ago).

Here you go...

Your ICON's will work with the cantilever set-up... Here is the difference... Your Icon's Compressed Length is 20.535, our recommended compressed length is 21.81 so no problem here... Your Icon's extended length is 27.5, our recommended King's extended length is 33.81 so here is where the dog bones come into play... Yes would need 4" or 5" dog bones... With that being said the shocks we use have over 6" longer extended length which equates to almost 6" of extra travel in the shock... We can adjust some of the travel numbers out in the middle of our distance between the extended and compressed numbers and still get you around 17" of real wheel travel... This is the beauty of the cantilever and all of the pivot points...

There are a few holes you have to drill and two pieces we recommend that you cut... There is no welding... This is a DIY project if you are mechanically inclined and can measure... I assume you are both since you own a Raptor and did some partial suspension install on the front... There is not a lot of extra work involved if you leave the bed on but it does slow down the install process a bit... We can install this kit in 4.5 hours and that was on our first try... I think the one we do tomorrow will take about 3.5... If you leave the bed on it should take upwards of 6.5 hours... Just my guess... That number could change with broken bolts, dull drill bits, lack of tools, etc...

I would like to extend the Hendrersonites deal but if I did, I probably would no longer be a Hendersonite anymore... Feel free to email me with any questions or reply here... [email protected]

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Sounds like Stage 4 or 5 then. My truck spends a lot of time on the street as a DD. But, when we hit the dirt more capability would be great. Already have the limits of the stock suspension dialed in. If I could refrain from blowing past those limits I wouldn't be looking for something like this, lol. So about a month or so until the pricing and details are released on the front stages?

We just released the pricing on the front stages... All kits have completed except Stage 5 and it will be done within the next 10 days... I will start a new post with pictures on the Stages of Front Suspension tomorrow morning...

 

[jazz05]

Have your guys looked at the coil and 4-link idea yet? Not trying to be pushy I just have a short attention span

 

[Rogue Racing]

Have your guys looked at the coil and 4-link idea yet? Not trying to be pushy I just have a short attention span

We have had discussions and we can do it but it would be months before we would be able to release something like this... We took 6 months developing this cantilever kit and in theory we would have to do a partial redesign due to relocating the shocks and clamps.. It would not take long to draw it up but machining the parts and then testing for a month would add some time... It can be done though...

 

[iSurvive]

Here you go...

Your ICON's will work with the cantilever set-up... Here is the difference... Your Icon's Compressed Length is 20.535, uur recommended compressed length is 21.81 so no problem here... Your Icon's extended length is 27.5, our recommended King's extended length is 33.81 so here is where the dog bones come into play... Yes would need 4" or 5" dog bones... With that being said the shocks we use have over 6" longer extended length which equates to almost 6" of extra travel in the shock... We can adjust some of the travel numbers out in the middle of our distance between the extended and compressed numbers and still get you around 17" of real wheel travel... This is the beauty of the cantilever and all of the pivot points...

There are a few holes you have to drill and two pieces we recommend that you cut... There is no welding... This is a DIY project if you are mechanically inclined and can measure... I assume you are both since you own a Raptor and did some partial suspension install on the front... There is not a lot of extra work involved if you leave the bed on but it does slow down the install process a bit... We can install this kit in 4.5 hours and that was one our first try... I think on the one we do tomorrow it will take about 3.5... If you leave the bed on it should take upwards of 6.5 hours... Just my guess... That number could change with broken bolts, dull drill bits, lack of tools, etc...

Thanks for all the info! I think I speak for many FRF members when I say, we really like getting this much info from a vendor!

I would like to extend the Hendrersonites deal but if I did, I probably would no longer be a Hendersonite anymore... Feel free to email me with any questions or reply here... [email protected]

You can't blame a guy for trying!! If I still had all of my Vegas inside contacts, I could probably make you a deal you couldn't refuse. But those were the good old days!

My instinct is to sell my rear Icons (lots of people want the rear ones) and buy the King shocks. I would be at the center of a controversy I'm not sure I want; "he-he, that fool Raptor owner has Fox, Icon, and King shocks on his truck - look, it's FrankenRaptor!" But as long as they work in harmony, that's all that matters.

 

[jazz05]

We have had discussions and we can do it but it would be months before we would be able to release something like this... We took 6 months developing this cantilever kit and in theory we would have to do a partial redesign due to relocating the shocks and clamps.. It would not take long to draw it up but mating the parts and then testing for a month would add some time... It can be done though...

Thanks , I might be parked at your doorstep when you are ready, let me know

 

[Dv8tor]

Is all the steel pretty much chromoly? Sorry for the bunch of questions.

 

[Labraptor]

Yet another question. Where did you release the info on the pricing of the front stages? Not being funny with that question. Don't see anything on your website, FRF or Facebook yet. Not rushing you at all but curious to see how much full upgrade would run.

 

[SwampKing]

Also, did you get around to weighing out the kit yet?

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We have had discussions and we can do it but it would be months before we would be able to release something like this... We took 6 months developing this cantilever kit and in theory we would have to do a partial redesign due to relocating the shocks and clamps.. It would not take long to draw it up but mating the parts and then testing for a month would add some time... It can be done though...

NOW WE TAlkin! I think I'll wait for the linked rear end before I make up my mind!

 

[Rogue Racing]

Is all the steel pretty much chromoly? Sorry for the bunch of questions.

Yes it is...

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Yet another question. Where did you release the info on the pricing of the front stages? Not being funny with that question. Don't see anything on your website, FRF or Facebook yet. Not rushing you at all but curious to see how much full upgrade would run.

I will be releasing pricing today...

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Also, did you get around to weighing out the kit yet?

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NOW WE TAlkin! I think I'll wait for the linked rear end before I make up my mind!

The kit weighs 140 lbs. and you remove about 40 lbs... So all in all, it puts 100 lbs. rear of the axle...

 

[BRONCOBOY1]

Will the rear linkage allow you to notch the frame for more up travel?