FSA 21B10 - Cam phaser update?

[Oldfart]

Where are you coming up with these assertions? The failure mode in the TSB is related to the phasers themselves failing to lock after bleed down. It has absolutely nothing to do with oil pressure or oil feed.

How do you know what’s included with the new tune when it hasn’t even been released yet?

Where do I sign up for the class action suit?!!

 

[FordTechOne]

It was posted here a few times of those who had the TSB done - granted in regular 3.5 ecoboost. They stated that the truck had longer cranking before start. It was also said from a ford tech that the new program did make a longer turnover before firing. I personally have no idea what the new tune has - just stating what I have read.

When the PCM is reprogrammed, there will be a longer crank time as throttle angle, fueling, and crank angle all need to be relearned and adjusted. A longer crank time after a PCM reprogram is not indicative of a change in the calibration.

The software update in the TSB has been the same since October of 2019. Therefore any vehicle built after that date already has the latest software, and there is no long crank concern on those vehicles. The cranking time on my 2019 varies, and it has the same PCM software it was built with in 05/19. What you are stating is simply speculation, and not factually accurate.

Do you own a Gen 2? I’m guessing not based on your posts stating you won’t own a V6. Hence why I’m curious why you have so much to say on this topic.

 

[Azrael]

you are right - I do not want an ecoboost. I learned that as I was looking what to buy, hence my WTB post for a 13/14 Roush truck. In any case, the posts here were indicative of the long crank I said one even went as far as saying that the tech confirmed that the new tune from Ford was to permanently extend the crank cycle. Whatever the case, Ford appears to still be working this issue and all may be solved now with the new parts and the new tune.

 

[FordTechOne]

you are right - I do not want an ecoboost. I learned that as I was looking what to buy, hence my WTB post for a 13/14 Roush truck. In any case, the posts here were indicative of the long crank I said one even went as far as saying that the tech confirmed that the new tune from Ford was to permanently extend the crank cycle. Whatever the case, Ford appears to still be working this issue and all may be solved now with the new parts and the new tune.

So that begs the question...why are you here in the Gen 2 forum - when you claim to be looking for a Gen 1 - speculating about issues of which you have no first hand knowledge on an engine that you claim to have no interest in?

There is no "extended crank", because that will not prevent a cam phaser locking pin issue on any engine. As I mentioned...the latest calibration has been out since early 2019, and there is no long crank time. Technicians are not privy to the details of calibration changes unless they're specifically outlined in the service publication...which in this case it's not. Ford is not still "working on the issue"; the most recent parts were released in 2019 to resolve the issue, and the latest FSA will be released this Spring to prevent failure in engines without the latest service level parts and extend the warranty for all vehicles.

You sound a whole lot like @Kuan.

 

[HotLap]

Awe man, my 2018 (June build) Raptor has been making a rattling sound on cold start-up for awhile now, trying to convince myself it was just an exhaust shield rattling but after reading this going to take it in. Problem is, (no offense meant to anyone), my last Ford dealer's service dept was horrible. On cold unlock the mirrors banging against the down stop-position is a pretty regular issue now and the door sensors for key fob unlock have been spotty for awhile now too. Sheesh...love this truck but am worried about all this stuff failing...

 

[FordTechOne]

Awe man, my 2018 (June build) Raptor has been making a rattling sound on cold start-up for awhile now, trying to convince myself it was just an exhaust shield rattling but after reading this going to take it in. Problem is, (no offense meant to anyone), my last Ford dealer's service dept was horrible. On cold unlock the mirrors banging against the down stop-position is a pretty regular issue now and the door sensors for key fob unlock have been spotty for awhile now too. Sheesh...love this truck but am worried about all this stuff failing...

There is a TSB for the mirrors clicking. It’s a simple software update to 2 modules.

 

[HotLap]

There is a TSB for the mirrors clicking. It’s a simple software update to 2 modules.

Awesome, thank you hadn't heard that yet. Last I'd read, (admittedly a ways back), was that dealers were replacing modules to no avail. Thanks!!

If I'm reading this thread right, on the Cam Phaser issue specifically with the Raptor, the software re-flash will be available in May time frame. Is the the update intended cure all Cam Phaser issues, i.e., or will some of them still need to be replaced? Asking, as I'd rather wait on the update than have major surgery on the engine...

My b-to-b warranty expires in June so want to have this addressed before then

Appreciate your input.

 

[FordTechOne]

Awesome, thank you hadn't heard that yet. Last I'd read, (admittedly a ways back), was that dealers were replacing modules to no avail. Thanks!!

If I'm reading this thread right, on the Cam Phaser issue specifically with the Raptor, the software re-flash will be available in May time frame. Is the the update intended cure all Cam Phaser issues, i.e., or will some of them still need to be replaced? Asking, as I'd rather wait on the update than have major surgery on the engine...

My b-to-b warranty expires in June so want to have this addressed before then

Appreciate your input.

Based on the information published in the FSA, the software appears to be designed to prevent a phaser failure, but not to eliminate noise caused by a phaser that has already failed. We will know for sure once the update is available though.

 

[HotLap]

Based on the information published in the FSA, the software appears to be designed to prevent a phaser failure, but not to eliminate noise caused by a phaser that has already failed. We will know for sure once the update is available though.

Got it, thank you!

 

[MJK]

So... took my truck in for the rattle. They said the cam phasers need to be replaced. Totally forgot i had goostuned it and tons for forescan mods.

truck is scheduled to be done this wed. I assume they saw the tune and reflashed huh?