GEN 2 Four Wheeler Magazine Walk-through video [39m]

[psufan]

I liked the video. Most of this stuff has been covered (or speculated) at some point, but it was nice to get a full video walk around from an official source. I'm going to have to clean up the corvette and get it ready for sale. Hopefully I'll be able to get into one of these before next spring. I'm looking for a near fully optioned white SCREW much like the one shown, but will be waiting until I can get one at or very near invoice price. I love the storm trooper look (same colors as my c7).

Edit: one thing I am looking forward to is the official payload and towing specs. I've been looking to get a travel trailer for a while now (one of the reasons I'm buying a truck) and would love to see if they managed to figure out a way to get a bit higher payload with the new lighter body while still maintaining off-road spring rates. The 8000lb towing rating really is plenty for what I would need, but payload was a little low on the Gen 1 if the vehicle was carrying any significant gear or a few passengers. Not much room for tongue weight with a few people in the cab and some camping gear in the bed.

 

[chiefy]

new walk-through video from four wheeler magazine of the 2017 raptor.

https://www.facebook.com/fourwheelermag/videos/10154280966267346/

crappy gas mileage 15mpg average.. Watch the vid its on the display AND THAT WAS WITH START STOP ON.. ID SAY REAL LIFE DRIVING 14MPG AVERAGE..

 

[matt33]

crappy gas mileage 15mpg average.. Watch the vid its on the display AND THAT WAS WITH START STOP ON.. ID SAY REAL LIFE DRIVING 14MPG AVERAGE..

There's no way to determine the type of driving that 15.3 MPG has yielded. If I had to guess, I'd bet it has been driven with very little consideration toward maximizing MPG's. My 2012 6.2L Raptor averaged 13.4 MPH over the 20k miles I owned it. Even just a 1.9 MPG improvement is significant and I'd guess it will be at least that much.

 

[BrensketheBlade]

Yeah 15.3 isn't bad. Who buys a raptor for fuel economy anyway.

 

[chiefy]

my 2015 chevy v8 averages 19mpg. All i'm saying is that when the window sticker comes out with MPG on it you'll know they are lying.

 

[Craigy]

Awesome post OP. This is the best 2017 video I've seen yet.

Great video even though that Ford rep looks like he really needs to eat a sandwich. Looks like he's about 6" deep. Maybe it's that shirt.

avg mpg 15.3, not bad

Yeah not bad at all. Especially considering it's break-in miles and I'm sure they've been driving it hard.

Least they have an exhaust startup and rev and he confirms torque will be "well north of 450".

Ford rep in the video confirmed "Orders for the new Raptor open later this month".

Doesnt really tell us much but at this point everyone is grasping for anything new even if its just some footage.

I think this is the first "official" word on power and actual ordering dates outside of speculation based on F150 numbers and order dates.

Ford has no pull in pricing but they do have pull in giving allocations and receiving orders. When the Hellcats came out dealers were charging crazy amounts like $50k over msrp and Dodge got pissed and told the dealers if they keep that shit up they wont be getting anymore specialty vehicles in the future.

Right. A dealer who sits on their inventory won't get additional inventory.

There's no way to determine the type of driving that 15.3 MPG has yielded. If I had to guess, I'd bet it has been driven with very little consideration toward maximizing MPG's. My 2012 6.2L Raptor averaged 13.4 MPH over the 20k miles I owned it. Even just a 1.9 MPG improvement is significant and I'd guess it will be at least that much.

Exactly. Just 2MPG better on a 36 gallon tank is another 72 miles of range. If it turns out to be more like 3 MPG that's over 100 miles more range. I'd be thrilled with that.

 

[4DRHTRD]

Wife has a 2015 F150 Ecoboost 4x4 with 34.5 tires, averaged 14.2MPG over the life of the truck. I would expect similar or worse with the Raptor.

 

[ovrlnd]

Updated engine, different transmission, different gearing. You can't compare a regular F150 with the wrong tire size to the new Raptor.

 

[4DRHTRD]

Updated engine, different transmission, different gearing. You can't compare a regular F150 with the wrong tire size to the new Raptor.

Closest that anyone can come with, weight should be pretty close to the same.
From what I'm seeing Raptor will have 4:11 gear with .64 OD vs my 3:55 .69

So with my 34.5 tire I'm doing 1900 RPM at 80 with 3.55/34.5"/.69 OD vs 2017 RPM at 80 with 4.11/35"/.64 OD.
Looks like I should be pretty close to what people see.
The 10 speed only helps with closing the ratios to allow for the engine to stay in it's happy spot on the low and top end when needed.

Cruising speed engine efficiency should be pretty dang close, both will shoot for lean cruise tuning, I'm not seeing a ton of differences overall. We'll see! If I can get better gas mileage just will be cherry on the top.

I added a little photo of a spreadsheet I use for gear calculations. Should be pretty accurate and I can update once we have specs on tires/gear ratios etc. I would prefer a 3.55:1 over 4:11 on my side, it's been proven in other ecoboost trucks to have better acceleration as the turbos like to load on the gear.

Link to picture since it downsized it:
https://goo.gl/photos/319QmbccEngaasi1A

 

[ovrlnd]

Gearing makes all the difference. If cruising speed were all that mattered, you'd have better mileage than before. Your chart won't matter much, because your ECU thinks you have one ratio, but you really have another. It's shifting to match what it thinks, meaning that you're compensating with fuel.

I upped the tire size on our X5 and highway cruising mileage went up 2 points. City went down 4; overall down 2. With the transmission in sport I actually get much of that back whereas before it would be worse. Gearing. That 10-speed will make a big difference - and especially so with a turbo. And you're ignoring the new engine which should give it a bump as well.

No one knows, but if I were to head out on a limb, I'd say that the new Raptor will advertise around what the current 3.5 is, but real world mileage will be considerably below that since everyone will have their foot in it non stop. Then they'll complain and say that they baby the truck and their mileage still sucks. So 21/22 advertised, 18 real world. I'm going to predict that the new regular F150 with the 10-speed will advertise around 25.

The truck will lose out on being a bit heavier than the current F150, a bit worse aero, and the bigger tires. But the engine and 10-speed will help, so I'm calling it a draw.