Ford penny pinching on 2020's?

[Johnkn]

You sound like Adam Schiff. Find the evidence yourself. Did you actually ask for a case study? lol

LOLLL. Now THAT’s funny AND relevant ! Thanks.....

 

[Crunchtime2k]

Check out the KIA forum, I suspect they have lights adjacent to the shifter for those who can’t figure out what gear their vehicle is in.

The rest of us will keep our eyes up and look at the (2) dash displays as you continue to attempt alienate one of the few people on this forum with actual empirical knowledge on these trucks...

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So the man knows the trucks well and cannot be questioned for fear of upsetting his feelings..? Really.

 

[GCATX]

So the man knows the trucks well and cannot be questioned for fear of upsetting his feelings..? Really.

Quit being so dramatic. This thread is about people complaining about little, mostly inconsequential, corners that have been cut, myself included. It's not the end of the world and certainly doesn't mean the raptor is a steaming pile of shit because of any of it.
Put the gun back in the drawer, it's gonna be okay.

 

[Oldfart]

So the man knows the trucks well and cannot be questioned for fear of upsetting his feelings..? Really.

If some shift lights are going to take ford down , man they are weak. Your view is clearly skewed and you fail to see it. Please cite the market research where customers asked for some basic lights to to be removed from a 75k top tier truck.

you also failed to read my tesla post , i clearly said things behind the scenes were removed , not the cabin , yes the approach is simplistic and its good for the cars use case. I dont think you will see past the fan boi goggles you have on.

You need a f**king life! Are you a frustrated ex high school debate team captain or what? FordTechOne is an amazing asset to have in here, he's here because he likes Raptors. He's in here for some fun and for free, not for some knucklehead to bust his balls and start some incredibly stupid debate for no reason. "He failed to read your tesla post", "He didn't even cite the relevant market research", to prove his hypothesis! Who does he think he is anyway, a forum member or something??!! The nerve of that guy!!!

He had better cite his market research and case studies ASAP or I will be calling the Cyber Police immediately, or at the very least give him a very poor Yelp review!
Seriously? :****:

 

[Crunchtime2k]

You need a f**king life! Are you a frustrated ex high school debate team captain or what? FordTechOne is an amazing asset to have in here, he's here because he likes Raptors. He's in here for some fun and for free, not for some knucklehead to bust his balls and start some incredibly stupid debate for no reason. "He failed to read your tesla post", "He didn't even cite the relevant market research", to prove his hypothesis! Who does he think he is anyway, a forum member or something??!! The nerve of that guy!!!

He had better cite his market research and case studies ASAP or I will be calling the Cyber Police immediately, or at the very least give him a very poor Yelp review!
Seriously? :****:

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Never said he was a bad dude , you are taking this way to the next level man. Go ahead and start the name calling.

 

[Oldfart]

Never said he was a bad dude , you are taking this way to the next level man. Go ahead and start the name calling.

YOU DID THAT! The guy is a wealth of information that is super helpful to forum members and you are busting his balls FOR NO DAMN REASON! Read your own shit and than I would appreciate if you would post all relevant studies and information (in annotated form please) that you used in your argument! You can't be serious. Your the kind of guy that makes members like him disappear off a forum because they don't need the ********. Now you're going to try to play it off like you were not being offensive? Give me a freaking break.

PS, In your defense, I think you seem more like a Jerry Nadler than an Adam Schiff.

 

[jabroni619]

A wealth of information that has provided nothing but opinions and defended cost cutting as staying relevant.

 

[jabroni619]

You sound like Adam Schiff. Find the evidence yourself. Did you actually ask for a case study? lol

Find it myself? I’m
Saying it isn’t there he’s saying it is. How am I supposed to find it myself. Think first post second.

 

[Crunchtime2k]

YOU DID THAT! The guy is a wealth of information that is super helpful to forum members and you are busting his balls FOR NO DAMN REASON! Read your own shit and than I would appreciate if you would post all relevant studies and information (in annotated form please) that you used in your argument! You can't be serious. Your the kind of guy that makes members like him disappear off a forum because they don't need the ********. Now you're going to try to play it off like you were not being offensive? Give me a freaking break.

PS, In your defense, I think you seem more like a Jerry Nadler than an Adam Schiff.

I operate on factual information , calm the hell down dude. Hes not a god

 

[TurboTJ]

You're confusing a supplier issue with de-contenting. Two completely different things.

The Focus/Fiesta transmission issue was the result of Ford needing an affordable, efficient transmission to maintain/increase fuel economy. Getrag, which is a German suppler, offered up their twin-clutch 6 speed transmission, so Ford contracted with them. This was immediately after the recession, so it's not like they had a ton of options. Budgets were low and many suppliers went belly up.

Once it was released, they started experiencing failed clutches due to input shaft oil leaks contaminating the clutch discs. There was also an issue with the Transmission Control Modules (TCMs) which were made by Getrag as well. The issues only affected 2011-2014 Fiesta and 2012-2014 Focus. In 2015 both were redesigned with new seals, new clutch material, and new TCMs. The transmission itself wasn't "faulty" in the least, but it was riddled with poorly manufactured seals and TCMs in the first few years of production.

Your assertions are not reality. Once Ford realized the issues that were occurring, they issued warranty extensions on both the clutches and the TCMs to cover owners who experienced an issue out of base powertrain 5/60 warranty. The media loves to embellish this, to the point of alleging that it was intentional. Having lived through it, that's a load of shit. All of that $30 Million went to the scumbag lawyers.

As far as de-contenting; you're confusing that with engineering cost save. If you want to see what engineering cost save is, look under any new Kia Telluride/Hyundai Palisade and compare it with a 2020 Explorer . The Korean twins have been getting better reviews on their interior design compared with Explorer, but the powertrain and chassis is where the engineering cost save is on both. Both Korean SUVs are based on nothing more than a modified minivan platform with every critical chassis component manufactured from stamped steel. The front subframe doesn't even extend past the wheels; the engine is literally suspended from two mounting points attached to the unibody. Same story with the powertrains; rehashed V6/FWD transmission from previous models. The only thing they did right was steal talent from the German manufacturers for the interior/exterior design.

I don't know about you, but I'd rather my money be spent in powertrain and chassis engineering than in cupholders and illuminated USB ports.

I thought that the transmissions were produced by Ford and they had some venture with Getrag?

Also, I think the problem there was Ford new about the issues before the first model was ever sold and still continued with production and sales.