For those who went to a Tremor Super Duty...

[GordoJay]

I personally despise a large portion of the new "tech" in trucks. It makes them a pain to work on, a pain to modify, and more components = more failures.

Hear, hear.

 

[500mag]

So will any gas motor if maintained correctly. The whole “muh diesel longevity” argument in a light duty truck is laughable. The engine may be fine, but how about the drivetrain? The transmission? The transfer case? How about the rubber components? The interior? The electronics?

And while the body is made out of aluminum, the frame and suspension is not.

And there are plenty of things that will hold value like a diesel with mileage. Enough with the hyperbole.

Yep, the problems I had with mine (2017) were myriad, but not drivedrain related. Here's what I remember:
1. Doors seals were so bad on passenger side, it sounded like the window was down - had to be replaced.
2. Moonroof stopped working.
3. Sync/GPS went out several times requiring hard resets.
4. Driver's seat fan for the warmer/AC seats went out.
5. Passenger side seat fan went out later.
6. Fan made a buzzing sound in defrost mode.
7. Oil/filter changes were $240 at the dealer

There's probably more that I can't think of. I got about 14-15 mpg, so no savings there. After enough of the minor but annoying problems, I had enough and traded for my first Raptor when the F-250 was a year old. I don't have time to deal with that much ********.

 

[Mister Pinky]

so what you're saying is, 10MPG at $4+ per gallon is better than 13-17 at $3 per gallon?

$1 per gallon less, plus an additional 3-7MPG is a meaningful efficiency difference.

Let’s not play ignorant and pretend like the Powerstroke isn’t a 10k+ option and that diesel prices don’t increase proportionally with gas. It’s being intellectually dishonest.

IMO the additional efficiency offsets a slightly more expensive oil change, fuel filters every 20K miles, and potentially needing a diesel tech all on its own.

You are welcome to your opinion but this topic has been beat to death on truck forums across the Internet. The consensus is that unless you keep the truck for an unordinary length of time, and/or are towing heavy every day, the additional cost of a diesel will rarely pay for itself.

While maintaining a diesel truck is different, it isn't really any more complex than a gas truck.

Routine maintenance isn’t terribly complex, the repairs are.

btw, diesel is right around $2/gal where I live.

Then you should consider yourself very fortunate.

If you never tow, or infrequently tow, and never really need a heavy payload capability, I don't really understand why a 3/4 ton, heavy-duty truck would be under consideration.

Because it’s bigger than the neighbor’s 1/2 ton Denali 500 ft. down the road in the subdivision. /sarcasm

the new Powerstroke trucks have a regen function, just like every other modern diesel that I've driven, so "problems" with the emissions system are relative, just like on a gasser.

Correct. And they also have an SCR system. An EGR system. And a DPF, which will eventually require removal and cleaning. Saying the emissions problems are relative compared to a gas truck is laughable. Outside of the occasional EVAP issue, you rarely see emissions related problems on gasoline motors. There’s a lot of fleets that would disagree with you.

Somehow, somewhere, the old-wives-tale of motors like the 12V cummins being "bulletproof" came to pass.

Everyone forgets that those motors had PLENTY of their own problems and put out 235 horsepower and 460 lb-ft of torque.

A 2021 F250 Powerstoke puts out 475HP and 1050 lb-ft of torque.

Sure they did. All diesels generally do. But problems and widespread outright failures related to emissions systems were nonexistent, which are the majority of the problems now.

I've had zero issues with my motor. I am not nice to it. I've pleased with the truck, what it does, and its reliability quotient.

Because you are not nice to it, is exactly why it is reliable. Please read the original post where I told the OP that if you do not use a Powerstroke for it’s intended purpose, you will have a bad time.

 

[NE Raptor]

I drive a ton - minimum 70 mile commute to begin with every day and usually towing either an enclosed 4 place snowmobile trailer or a boat on the weekends. those are usually a minimum of 200 miles each direction, as much as 550 miles each direction. I think I would be using it enough to keep it running well.

What is the Ford warranty on emissions related components? I think it is 100k miles but I cant seem to find it anywhere

 

[NE Raptor]

all good points by many - i appreciate all the feedback

 

[zombiekiller]

I drive a ton - minimum 70 mile commute to begin with every day and usually towing either an enclosed 4 place snowmobile trailer or a boat on the weekends. those are usually a minimum of 200 miles each direction, as much as 550 miles each direction. I think I would be using it enough to keep it running well.

What is the Ford warranty on emissions related components? I think it is 100k miles but I cant seem to find it anywhere

100K.

you can also ( obviously) extend it.

If you're towing that often, you'll appreciate the Super Duty. I'd get the diesel short bed and plan to add an S&B 60 Gallon tank. If you go 8 ft bed, I believe s&b sells an 80 gallon replacement. The larger fuel tank has been my most favorite mod. you can adjust the DTE calc with forscan pretty easily. Unloaded, on 37s, I get about 900 miles out of the 60. Towing 12K lbs with 800 lbs of crap in the bed gets me between 600 and 700 miles to a tank. (depending on where I'm going)

and if you decide you hate it and sell it a year later, you'll most likely only be out 5-6 grand at most. I recently was offered 65K for my truck, after 18 months and 25K miles.

If you decide to go gasser, the new whipple kit for the 7.3 is pretty awesome. ( but it costs as much as upgrading to a diesel).

 

[TXRaptor]

Good info sir. So what was your final price OTD? Last night I was researching Lariat Tremors and the cheapest one I could find was around $68k: it has the Tremor package, but not everything was blacked out (didn’t know you could get them like this). The cheapest Lariat blacked out Tremor was around $72k.

You can get a more basic Lariat for around $60-62k as @zombiekiller did himself. Granted the axles and specs will not be the same as the Tremor so it all depends on what you need.

For me, I do like the look of the blacked out Tremor compared to the silver grille and non-black headlights etc. I would wager you could sell the Tremor tires/rims and suspension for at least $2k, so that helps minimize the cost even more. But if I am already paying in the low $70k for the Tremor Lariat, then I’ll just pay the extra and get the Platinum Tremor for another $6-7k and have all the creature comforts. A dealer near me has two black Tremor Platinums for $79k.

My Tremor is a fully optioned Lariat, minus the dreaded moonroof and power running boards, which I did not want. I looked at the KR and Platinum packages, but the overriding factor for me was the Lariat Black package. I will not drive a vehicle with silver or chrome and I did not want to spend the money to paint/replace the chrome/silver items, so I stuck with the maximum Lariat features. With the Tremor, Lariat Ultimate and Lariat Black, it is a very nicely appointed Super Duty with all of the creature comforts I need. The Carli suspension and 37s will be the icing on the cake for me, and it will tow my 7000 lb TT across the country this summer without hardly breaking a sweat.

To answer your question, the MSRP was $78,765 and I paid $70,130, plus TTL, which in Texas is a 6.25% tax rate, so $74,700 OTD.

Plus, they delivered it 245 miles to my house on a Saturday at no additional charge. I did the whole deal over email with only a single phone call when I placed the order, and I never stepped foot in the dealership or even met the salesman! I did not pay an upfront deposit, there were no additional dealership fees, I did not finance through them, or have a trade-in, so they did not make any money on the "other" side of the deal. It was one of the easiest and least stressful vehicle purchases I have made in many years.

For those who are interested, here is my window sticker minus my VIN, so no one tries to steal it!

 

[WestTXRaptor6]

all good points by many - i appreciate all the feedback

I will add this to the mix. I always have a Raptor and Super Duty. Currently DD in 2020 6.7 F250 FX4 with the High Cap Towing Pkg(Same rear end and springs from the 350). The 2020 and up have the 10 speed tranny. Before I levelled the truck and changed the tires, I consistently got over 20 mpg running 80+ on Texas highways. Pretty nice for a truck this heavy. Now I get 17-17.5 over all on 35s and Fox/Icon level kit (much better than the shocks on the Tremor).
I routinely put 70k miles per year on these trucks and tow trailers up to 14000# regularly. In 7-8 Superduties since 2012, I have not had one in the shop for anything other than a bad particulate sensor. That is driving on West Texas lease roads daily along with tons of highway miles. You can't beat these trucks. I did drive the 7.3 gas and was unimpressed.
Just my .02. Feel free to pm me with any additional questions.

 

[Deleted member 17706]

My Tremor is a fully optioned Lariat, minus the dreaded moonroof and power running boards, which I did not want. I looked at the KR and Platinum packages, but the overriding factor for me was the Lariat Black package. I will not drive a vehicle with silver or chrome and I did not want to spend the money to paint/replace the chrome/silver items, so I stuck with the maximum Lariat features. With the Tremor, Lariat Ultimate and Lariat Black, it is a very nicely appointed Super Duty with all of the creature comforts I need. The Carli suspension and 37s will be the icing on the cake for me, and it will tow my 7000 lb TT across the country this summer without hardly breaking a sweat.

To answer your question, the MSRP was $78,765 and I paid $70,130, plus TTL, which in Texas is a 6.25% tax rate, so $74,700 OTD.

Plus, they delivered it 245 miles to my house on a Saturday at no additional charge. I did the whole deal over email with only a single phone call when I placed the order, and I never stepped foot in the dealership or even met the salesman! I did not pay an upfront deposit, there were no additional dealership fees, I did not finance through them, or have a trade-in, so they did not make any money on the "other" side of the deal. It was one of the easiest and least stressful vehicle purchases I have made in many years.

For those who are interested, here is my window sticker minus my VIN, so no one tries to steal it!

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Thanks for the info man! You got a great deal on that truck. I am with you about the whole chrome look. By the time I have everything pulled off and painted myself, it would likely be cheaper to just buy the tremor version and sell the rims/tires/suspension. Keep us posted on how you like your Carli set up.

I haven’t see the environmental performance scale on a window sticker before. Lol I am going to have get my graphics guy to make me a sticker version of that to put on my truck

 

[Mister Pinky]

I drive a ton - minimum 70 mile commute to begin with every day and usually towing either an enclosed 4 place snowmobile trailer or a boat on the weekends. those are usually a minimum of 200 miles each direction, as much as 550 miles each direction. I think I would be using it enough to keep it running well.

What is the Ford warranty on emissions related components? I think it is 100k miles but I cant seem to find it anywhere

Get the diesel. Buy an extended Ford factory warranty. Get the 48 gallon tank which I believe requires an 8 ft bed. Consider your rear end ratio options carefully if you plan on bigger rims/tires.