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That would barely fit in our trucks, let alone anything else in the ford line-up, and I would rather not have to replace two turbos when they ingest dust from offroading, let alone four
 
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That would barely fit in our trucks, let alone anything else in the ford line-up, and I would rather not have to replace two turbos when they ingestion dust from offroading, let alone four

.... Why is dust getting in your turbos? You do know almost all large equipment has been using turbos for years without issues. I think if there was an issue with dust and turbos Caterpillar would have had to find another way to move all their large equipment.

Family has many large dozers from the 60's and still have their original turbos, and I don't think you can get in a much dustier environment then an earth mover.
 

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.... Why is dust getting in your turbos? You do know almost all large equipment has been using turbos for years without issues. I think if there was an issue with dust and turbos Caterpillar would have had to find another way to move all their large equipment.

Family has many large dozers from the 60's and still have their original turbos, and I don't think you can get in a much dustier environment then an earth mover.

heavy duty diesel air filters filter out dust and other particles alot better than factory air filters for cars, and then everyone puts a wet filter (example: K&N) on their vehicle, diesel air filters filter down to particles half the size a standard air filter will filter down to, wet filters will only filter out particles over 4 times the size of particles diesel filters filter out when dry, and they get clogged alot faster than dry filters in dirt and dust when wet
 
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heavy duty diesel air filters filter out dust and other particles alot better than factory air filters for cars, and then everyone puts a wet filter (example: K&N) on their vehicle, diesel air filters filter down to particles half the size a standard air filter will filter down to, wet filters will only filter out particles over 4 times the size of particles diesel filters filter out when dry, and they get clogged alot faster than dry filters in dirt and dust when wet

Its all pleated paper designed to goto a spec made by the manufacturer. Some large equipment runs a pre filter, some don't. I raced motorcross for years, so I know about oil air filters, and I also did filter testing on compressor pumps, and those oil filters are only good if you are keeping up with them, but they are honestly a waste, and your better off adding surface area to a paper filter if you need more flow.

You can't use random mods someone might do as a reason why an engine is a bad idea.
 

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Its all pleated paper designed to goto a spec made by the manufacturer. Some large equipment runs a pre filter, some don't. I raced motorcross for years, so I know about oil air filters, and I also did filter testing on compressor pumps, and those oil filters are only good if you are keeping up with them, but they are honestly a waste, and your better off adding surface area to a paper filter if you need more flow.

You can't use random mods someone might do as a reason why an engine is a bad idea.

First I mentioned oem filters, then the wet filters, they were mentioned because people expect them to be better than dry filters, but even when you keep them oiled, they let in more particles than the oem, I agree with you, add more surface area and you will see much better improvements than a wet filter, heavy duty filters are more restrictive, and therefore filter better, than the oem filter you'll find on any production car, but they're so big they let through more flow

A turbo raptor from the factory would be much more trouble than it's worth, ford would not spend the money to create an offroad intake system for it, and ford wouldn't pay the extra few dollars per filter to put in a filter that cleans the air well enough to keep every dirt and dust particle out of the turbos

Diesel engines are built to last for millions of miles. if car manufacturers did that, they would go out of business faster than if their cars lasted 30,000, the heavy duty diesel engine manufacturers can get away with it because even if there's 20,000 engines that go without seeing a million miles in their owner's lifetime, there are hundreds of thousands of engines that see that many miles every year, or even every few months, whereas the majority of passenger cars and trucks see less than 30,000 miles a year

Since the majority of diesel engines cost the same new as our entire trucks do, a car manufacturer and diesel engine manufacturer have to sell the same amount (or more on the car manufacturer's side) of inventory per year to have the same amount of profit, therefore, since people use their cars alot less, they have to last alot less time for them to wear out at the same rate per year as diesel engines and the car manufacturer to stay in business
 

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all the naysayers that say the 6.2L won't fit in the next mustang, guess what, if the 6.2L won't fit, the 5.0L probably won't either, just got specs from ford racing for the 5.0L and measured my own engine three times just for you guys

Ford 5.0L
Width: 28" valve cover edge to valve cover edge
Length: 26" back of head to front of head
Height: 27" bottom of oil sump to highest point of valve covers


Ford 6.2L
Width: 28.5" valve cover edge to valve cover edge
Length: 28" back of head to front of head
Height: 27.5" bottom of oil sump to highest point of valve covers

hmm, gotta say they must be cutting it pretty damn close with the 5.0L in the next mustang if the 6.2L won't fit
 

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Must be cheqaper to get the hp out of the 5.0... Ford is about the money and mpg... Thimes have changed on getting the best mpg possible out of the "fleet"...
 

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valves have a maximum area they can take up, the bore of the cylinder, the only difference in size would be if ford went to dual overhead cam for the valves so they could run direct injection, and the heads would increase by at most 1" in width if they did, the 4V heads on the 5.0L aren't any larger in relation to the engine block than the 2V 6.2L heads are in relation to it's engine block, and how do you know they're shoehorning the next 5.0L engine into the engine bay, nobody even knows what the thing is gonna look like yet, only information out there is journalist speculation
 
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