i guess i must have missed some stuff here yesterday while i was gone. but reading oldfarts message where he quotes someone, which i cant find any of that persons posts anymore, (banned again?) lets clarify a couple things. here is my response, and to anyone else who would like to know more.
not once did i ever say anything negative about audiofrog products. the only reason we decided not to carry the line here is because we dont know the products yet. they havent established a long term reputation yet. i have posted very clearly that from what i have seen, its a good product and dont see any issues with them as of yet. only time will tell.
the reason you take a speaker out of phase in a 3 way active setup is for sound imaging. why do a lot of subwoofer amplifiers have a phase selection and not speaker amps? maybe, just maybe, because the subwoofers are so far back in the trunk, that by the time the sound reaches your ear its out of phase with the rest of the system. and if you switch the phase it could possibly sound better. why do all sound processors have a phase selection for each individual speaker? (and this is slightly different from having 2 subwoofers in proper polarity with each other but out of phase with the system) im sure its definitely not just to fix your wiring mistake when you got the polarities crossed on a speaker. while you can use phase selection for tuning, in certain applications turning a midrange out of phase will achieve the sound stage you are looking for. you can use as many microphones and whatever programs you want to get the sound to your liking. i dont condone that one bit. but to come here and say that im giving bad information is wrong. just because people havent tried tuning this way doesnt mean its wrong. its may look funny or weird on an o scope or rta when measuring the sound, but when it comes down to it, all the microphones and all the programs are there to get you the base tune for the vehicle. you dont see judges walking aeound wih microphones and laptops judging vehicles. you see them with a clipboard and a scorecard. just because it may show up perfect on you computer, it may not sound perfect in your vehicle. being able to distinguish sound by ear is not something everyone can do, peoples hearing are different and if you have unatural loss of hearing then you cant pick out the specific parameters you need to tune properly. but if you arent familiar with this type of tuning, try it before saying im giving wrong information. its not every application, just some. and if you want more info, i will be glad to talk about more. a discussion is always good as long as its civil.
this thread has gone from a person asking advice, to a shit pile of accusations, and bs. lets keep it clean from here on out
Like I said, what a ****. You did an awesome job of proving my point. If you're not him, and you are actually enough of a ******** that you joined this site just to post in this thread, that has to be one of the lamest things I've heard in a long time. I'm done here, not worth my time, even though according to you the entire internet is buzzing about this thread! What a joke you and your **** friends are.
