Collision alert activation

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Bhollier

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Weird.. I know certain types of paints can contribute to hiding things from radar by absorbing it, but never heard of certain paints that trigger radar. That's a new one to me, but I'm not an expert in that field.

It has to do with reflection from what my Dad was educating me on. The use a similar type reflector for Dynamic Positioning on ships. It is odd that the radar on the front picks up the variance but is possible. I guess that is why it happens some times and not on every cross walk I cross. The thing for shadows, not sure could be a coincidence or a gremlin on my sensor playing with it.
 

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Weird.. I know certain types of paints can contribute to hiding things from radar by absorbing it, but never heard of certain paints that trigger radar. That's a new one to me, but I'm not an expert in that field.

Radar waves are not that different from light waves. Some surfaces and coatings reflect light better than other surfaces, the same goes for radar waves.
 

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The intensity of reflected electromagnetic radiation mostly depends on target size, target material, angle of incidence, and range. Surface coating makes no difference unless it's specifically designed to absorb or reflect energy - sidewalk paint is not designed to do either.
 

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The intensity of reflected electromagnetic radiation mostly depends on target size, target material, angle of incidence, and range. Surface coating makes no difference unless it's specifically designed to absorb or reflect energy - sidewalk paint is not designed to do either.

Just to clarify, you're claiming the highly reflective material added to highway markings that makes them so bright under headlights that it looks like they are internally lit, has zero impact on reflecting radio waves? okay
 

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Yes, compared to the factors I mentioned above it's negligible. That's why radar corner reflectors are generally unpainted...it's unnecessary as long as the base substrate is metal.
 

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Radar, basically sends out electromagnetic energy in the form of radio waves. These waves travel outward until they strike a surface that reflects or deflects them. The radar antenna then receives any returned energy. The design of the radar and the computer systems in it determine what can and is done with that signal. The most basic forms can basically tell you something is there. Measurements of the time of return can tell you a distance, while changes to that time as well as the Doppler effect will provide additional information as to velocity acceleration/deceleration, etc... To determine things like altitude you actually need an array of multiple antennas pushing signals.

Different forms of energy have different properties, for example, visible light may reflect off of something that a radio wave will pass through to a greater or lesser degree. A X-Ray may react differently to the same object. Depending on composition, paint can affect radar returns, but it is generally minimal. The shape of an object and how it is presented to the radar antenna can have a significant effect. Theoretically, a variation in the road surface that provides a flat face toward the radar could give it some level of return greater than the flat road that is parallel to the emissions. Materials have a significant effect, some reflect a great deal of energy others absorb it(actually allow it to pass through) or scatter it, preventing a direct return to the antenna. If you are getting an activation when, say passing from blacktop to cement, or more likely passing over metal expansion joints, it is probably an indication that the radar is pointed down further than it should be and you are getting too direct of a return off of the road. Shadows would have no effect. Blades of grass would, but it would be so small that a system like the one on a vehicle probably wouldn't register a return unless you are driving from a mowed area to a field of dense shoulder high grass and brush. Even then, it is questionable. Angle of approach has a small effect, in that the greater the angle, the less accurate a speed reading is. As the angle between the radar and the target increases it will always give a reading that is slower than the true speed. If the angle suddenly decreases, it can cause it to appear that the object is accelerating, when it is actually just giving a more true reading of speed.

As it is used in these systems, it is looking for a change in distance to an object that it senses ahead. If the time of return is decreasing, you are closing distance and it will activate warnings and/or slow you down. That means it should be a directional system that is pushing it out to the front, much like a police radar system.
 

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Adaptive cruise (throttle and brake modulation) and collision alert (dash warning lights, pre-charged brakes) are separate systems that use the same sensor data. Have the dealer check your sensor alignment and calibration.

Dont forget the camera thats in the windshield and on your mirrors, uses a ton of different data. Definitely have the dealer check it out
 

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Dont forget the camera thats in the windshield and on your mirrors, uses a ton of different data. Definitely have the dealer check it out

A system that is augmented by a camera could be tripped by any of the above mentioned things because it uses visible light. I know systems like that have been developed, but don't know if Ford uses them or straight radar.
 

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Dont forget the camera thats in the windshield and on your mirrors, uses a ton of different data. Definitely have the dealer check it out

The camera in the grille and in the mirrors are only used for the 360° view when parking/ driving at slow speeds. The camera by the rear view mirror is only used for lane keep assist. None of those cameras work in conjunction for the collision alert system (nor the adaptive cruise for that matter). The only component in the system that is used for collision alert or ACC is the radar device in the bumper.
 

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I think you're right that it won't engage the brakes, but mine has done some dramatic engine braking.

Per the owners manual it is a 3 step system that escalates based on the situation.

Step 1 - driver alert alarm

Step 2 - primes the brake system

Step 3 - collision imminent, brakes apply themselves
 
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