Cobb Protune options

[zombiekiller]

Strange,I have 20,000 miles on MPT. I also have been under extreme environmental and altitude changes.

I have NEVER had a wrench code or less than an awesome experience.

Well, I got wrench lights going from a 93 tune to a 91 tune (when I had to switch to 91). Got em again gaining altitude on my way to Denver. Got them again rolling into Reno. Got them again in Mexico.

When using Cobb's tune, no issues. If I had to guess the magical trans tuning doesn't have the torque management totally worked out, nor all the nannies.

This isn't really any different than the issues they had with adaptive cruise when they first released tunes.

I get that doing a 5000 mile road trip intermixed with 1200 miles of aggressive dirt driving isn't the norm for most mpt customers, but it is my normal, and Cobb worked flawlessly.

 

[Guy]

Bummer it didn’t work out for you.

I’ve been over 5,000 feet. No problem. -20 degrees F. No problem. Over 100 degrees F. No problem. I also drove it like I was trying to compete in NASCAR.

I don’t have anything against Cobb, but you’re getting 30 peak horsepower to the wheels and no trans tuning. Go look at independent dyno runs of their OTS maps. They aren’t even close to Gearhead or MPT.

The Protuners, like Goose, doing their very best with the accessport.... are able to get comparable numbers. Not more than the competitors. There is no magic formula.

You have to do what let’s you sleep at night. But to make a blanket statement that MPT tunes have problems is ridiculous when I guarantee you 50 people can chime in on here with similar experiences as mine.

You + MPT didn’t work out for some unknown reason.

Well, I got wrench lights going from a 93 tune to a 91 tune (when I had to switch to 91). Got em again gaining altitude on my way to Denver. Got them again rolling into Reno. Got them again in Mexico.

When using Cobb's tune, no issues. If I had to guess the magical trans tuning doesn't have the torque management totally worked out, nor all the nannies.

This isn't really any different than the issues they had with adaptive cruise when they first released tunes.

I get that doing a 5000 mile road trip intermixed with 1200 miles of aggressive dirt driving isn't the norm for most mpt customers, but it is my normal, and Cobb worked flawlessly.

 

[zombiekiller]

Bummer it didn’t work out for you.

I’ve been over 5,000 feet. No problem. -20 degrees F. No problem. Over 100 degrees F. No problem. I also drove it like I was trying to compete in NASCAR.

I don’t have anything against Cobb, but you’re getting 30 peak horsepower to the wheels and no trans tuning. Go look at independent dyno runs of their OTS maps. They aren’t even close to Gearhead or MPT.

The Protuners, like Goose, doing their very best with the accessport.... are able to get comparable numbers. Not more than the competitors. There is no magic formula.

You have to do what let’s you sleep at night. But to make a blanket statement that MPT tunes have problems is ridiculous when I guarantee you 50 people can chime in on here with similar experiences as mine.

You + MPT didn’t work out for some unknown reason.

you're telling me that 50 people on this board have driven 2/3rds across the country and throughout the journey pounded on their truck, in the dirt, going fast, driving harder than a stock raptor with stock suspension is capable of? I kind of doubt that.

The programming on these trucks, in particular, the torque management systems is extremely complex. the variable tables are more complex than anything I've seen and the self-preservation logic in the truck is kind of insane. Half the issue is the stupid torque management system.

I'm hard-pressed to believe that many people will use their raptors like I use mine and that's fine. Whatever Cobb is doing is far more reliable when I'm 2500 miles from home and 100 miles to the nearest gas station. When you have to fix things yourself and cant call a professional or even get towed to a ford dealer, what is proven to work is always better, regardless of anything else.

As my truck continues to evolve, I'd almost bet ya that I'm probably going to go to a stand alone ECU and treat the motor like a crate motor.

Bulletproof is better for me than 20 extra horsepower.

 

[Guy]

Your argument is very sound.

I get what you’re saying. If I were you, given what you’re describing, I too would want what gave me peace of mind.

I’ve used my truck in extremes without issue like I’ve said, but no I’m not doing that every day. Nor am I 100s of miles from civilization on a regular basis.

I can call for a tow, although like I’ve said, I’ve never had an issue. Nor have I ever been stranded. Mike has the torque management pretty sweet for me right now. It took 8 versions, so yes I know what you’re talking about.

If I were in your shoes, I probably wouldn’t run a tune at all.

you're telling me that 50 people on this board have driven 2/3rds across the country and throughout the journey pounded on their truck, in the dirt, going fast, driving harder than a stock raptor with stock suspension is capable of? I kind of doubt that.

The programming on these trucks, in particular, the torque management systems is extremely complex. the variable tables are more complex than anything I've seen and the self-preservation logic in the truck is kind of insane. Half the issue is the stupid torque management system.

I'm hard-pressed to believe that many people will use their raptors like I use mine and that's fine. Whatever Cobb is doing is far more reliable when I'm 2500 miles from home and 100 miles to the nearest gas station. When you have to fix things yourself and cant call a professional or even get towed to a ford dealer, what is proven to work is always better, regardless of anything else.

As my truck continues to evolve, I'd almost bet ya that I'm probably going to go to a stand alone ECU and treat the motor like a crate motor.

Bulletproof is better for me than 20 extra horsepower.

 

[zombiekiller]

Your argument is very sound.

I get what you’re saying. If I were you, given what you’re describing, I too would want what gave me peace of mind.

I’ve used my truck in extremes without issue like I’ve said, but no I’m not doing that every day. Nor am I 100s of miles from civilization on a regular basis.

I can call for a tow, although like I’ve said, I’ve never had an issue. Nor have I ever been stranded. Mike has the torque management pretty sweet for me right now. It took 8 versions, so yes I know what you’re talking about.

If I were in your shoes, I probably wouldn’t run a tune at all.

pinging off the rev limiter and not shifting north of 4th gear, in the dirt, for a couple hundred miles, over 6-7 hours isn't nice to any motor or tune. in my opinion, it would be really difficult for MPT to do that kind of testing in florida. because it was so wet in baja, i was constantly flipping in and out of 4H. the MPT tune didn't like that either. normally i wouldnt take it out of 2wd unless i was stuck, or heading into silt/deep mud.

Cobbs scoots across town to rally ready and beats the **** out of their test mules.

The tuner that works with cobb is an OG that moved from new york down to austin not too long ago. He also drives the hell out of the test mules too.

Hard use is hard use.

That being said, yes, the mpt makes more power and is more fun on the street, locally, where help is easy to come by.

I dont really miss the trans tuning off road. After experiencing how baja mode in "D" shifts, I hate it. I've taken to using the paddles and manually shifting the truck. it is worlds better for my driving style, and for me, is far more predictable.

To put it in perspective, the way we were driving as a group, my low fuel warning light illuminated after 230 miles in the dirt. On road, it comes on around 490 miles when cruising at 75 mph.

 

[texasflyer]

Hello,

Anyone have experience with any Cobb protuners?

Brentuning looks great based on their findings and results. E-tune option sounds reasonable as I’ve had experience with etunes on my ZL1.

How about Mountune? Goosetune?

Other options?

It appears there is a good amount of meat left on the bones from the OTS maps to the custom tunes, particularly on 93.

Thanks for any insight for those with experience.

A few years ago, I had a heavily modded 2015 WRX. I got it protuned locally by a guy that specialized in Subarus, but 2015 was the first year that the FA20 motor was in the WRX and my protuner had only touched a couple of them prior to mine. The protune was good, but I felt like there was still something missing for the mods I had. Brentune was getting rave review on the NASIOC forum and Etuning hundreds of 2015+ WRXs, so I decided to give them a try. It made a huge difference and was one of the best decisions I made.

What's good about Etuners is they send you a baseline tune, then you make a couple runs in whatever gear and datalog the results, email the files to them and they make adjustments specific to your vehicle and your mods, then repeat for as many times as it takes until the tune is dialed in.

Whether it's a protuner or Etuner, I think the key is to find a tuner that has experience and is familiar with tuning your specific motor.

 

[gotgrip]

A few years ago, I had a heavily modded 2015 WRX. I got it protuned locally by a guy that specialized in Subarus, but 2015 was the first year that the FA20 motor was in the WRX and my protuner had only touched a couple of them prior to mine. The protune was good, but I felt like there was still something missing for the mods I had. Brentune was getting rave review on the NASIOC forum and Etuning hundreds of 2015+ WRXs, so I decided to give them a try. It made a huge difference and was one of the best decisions I made.

What's good about Etuners is they send you a baseline tune, then you make a couple runs in whatever gear and datalog the results, email the files to them and they make adjustments specific to your vehicle and your mods, then repeat for as many times as it takes until the tune is dialed in.

Whether it's a protuner or Etuner, I think the key is to find a tuner that has experience and is familiar with tuning your specific motor.

Agreed. So who has the most seat time with this platform?

 

[JohnyPython]

Agreed. So who has the most seat time with this platform?

At this point, only Cobb tuners/calibrators. It’s still early so I expect that there will be issues/updates to the OTS tunes.

The only way to find a tuner is through recommendations. It’s a good idea to pay the tuner a visit (if you can). At the end of the day, you have to feel comfortable with who’s going to work on your vehicle.

 

[MacK88DO]

So, I’m a Cobb lover and have been running the stage 1 OTS tune for a couple thousand miles now. Power is decent but I’m realizing just what a big impact trans tuning could have as well as a protune. I contacted MPT today as they list the access port on their website. JR in sales told me that MPT has officially become a Cobb protuner. They are in the process of dialing in their tunes and applying the trans tune through the access port now. Didn’t want to give me an ETA but said soon. Seems like it could be the best of both worlds. Had him put me on a email notification list for when it’s ready to go.


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[JLozano]

That is good to know. I started with MPT and switched to Cobb...happy with both, but the MPT definitely made more power...