Cam Phaser/Engine Failure Reports

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That is exactly I mean exactly what mine was doing they ended up doing chains tensioners and phasers oh and kept it for 7 weeks while waiting for parts. Good luck get a good loaner from them.


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They build these engines everyday, having to wait 7 weeks for parts doesn’t follow conventional logic. By getting everyone to wait a month or two for parts it discourages others from dropping their trucks off and inches the low mileage users closer towards the end of their warranty periods down the road. If there is 60 months of warranty and trucks are sitting an average of 6 to 7 weeks that means the truck is down 3% if it’s life, that WILL affect some especially considering how low mileage a lot of Raptors end up being.

They are playing the EXACT same game GM played with the LS7 engines in the Z06s. When companies play such games it solidifies my opinion on three things, they know about the problem in a major way, they don’t have a solution and it affects or will eventually affect all engines.

If I had to nail the initial problem I can’t say it’s a bad batch of phasers. I think the system is just too high of a volume for the oil capacity of the pump. It lends me to wondering if the phasers are allowed to run in said condition for a bit, the oil is effectively bypassing through the phasers, is oil pressure (the driving force) being robbed through the bearings? During this time period tolerances are expanded elsewhere and even with a nee, nice tight sealed phaser the stock oil pump can’t handle the loss of tolerance control that occurred in the first place. Or... the phasers have nothing to do with it at all. It’s simply a loss of tolerance control elsewhere (high lower end and/or head temperatures) and a slightly worn but still in spec phaser just masks the true underlying condition.

I have an entirely new timing system and my truck rattles like it did at 5,000 miles and WILL get to the place it was at 24,000 miles. It’s a function of time. What I would like to see it s black stone oil analysis of every truck that has a rattle. I did one and lead was high out of spec.


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Here is the technical service bulletin for reg eco’s.
 

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Again, some startup noise or rattle is going to happen with this system, unless it is properly charged at power on and then ignition allowed to proceed; another discussion entirely. There’s the normal noise that happens, which has a widely varying initial volume and duration, there’s “boogeyman” level noise, which is still within tolerance but the trolls keep screaming CAM PHASERS SET THEM TO STUN
and then there is the actual problem.

Ford is without doubt replacing perfectly good units because of boogeyman trolling on the internet. Will these units eventually fail? we’ll never know. Were they bad in the first place? again, we’ll never know.

Are there defective units in customer hands? That seems pretty certain. The TSB with revised replacement parts seems pretty indicative that there are units with parts out of spec.

But if it were the boogeyman this thread and others like here on FRF and other F150 sites would lead you to believe, Ford would be bankrupt, the F150 would have died a horrible death and the ecoboost would be long forgotten.
 

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But if it were the boogeyman this thread and others like here on FRF and other F150 sites would lead you to believe, Ford would be bankrupt, the F150 would have died a horrible death and the ecoboost would be long forgotten.

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Again, some startup noise or rattle is going to happen with this system, unless it is properly charged at power on and then ignition allowed to proceed; another discussion entirely. There’s the normal noise that happens, which has a widely varying initial volume and duration, there’s “boogeyman” level noise, which is still within tolerance but the trolls keep screaming CAM PHASERS SET THEM TO STUN
and then there is the actual problem.

Ford is without doubt replacing perfectly good units because of boogeyman trolling on the internet. Will these units eventually fail? we’ll never know. Were they bad in the first place? again, we’ll never know.

Are there defective units in customer hands? That seems pretty certain. The TSB with revised replacement parts seems pretty indicative that there are units with parts out of spec.

But if it were the boogeyman this thread and others like here on FRF and other F150 sites would lead you to believe, Ford would be bankrupt, the F150 would have died a horrible death and the ecoboost would be long forgotten.
I’m 2 for 2 and I’m freakin pissed. I could care less about a boogeyman. I have an awesome truck and I sincerely love it. This is like my dog having a tumor. Can it be fixed? Ya, but I don’t think I’ll be the same. The only reason I looked on here was to see if anyone else has had the issue. I don’t care if ford has only had this happen twice or 10,000 times, what I do care about is it has happened twice to me and that sucks...


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I’m 2 for 2 and I’m freakin pissed. I could care less about a boogeyman. I have an awesome truck and I sincerely love it. This is like my dog having a tumor. Can it be fixed? Ya, but I don’t think I’ll be the same. The only reason I looked on here was to see if anyone else has had the issue. I don’t care if ford has only had this happen twice or 10,000 times, what I do care about is it has happened twice to me and that sucks...


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Sadly, it will continue to happen. It is a design flaw and all 3.5 ecoboost will get this. Ford has no solution. They have a track record of trying to fix and failed with each attempt. This is why people want any other engine choice in there... Electric motor, 8 cylinder, 6 cylinder, 4 cylinder, mouse. Anything but this 3.5 ecoboost.
 
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